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I am trying to find information on my husband's paternal grandmother. Jesse/Jessie Holtham was born between 1874-1878 in or around Gloucester. She married Alfred Bick in 1898 and had 4 children; Percival (1899) Frances, Lionel (1904) and Doris (1909). Jess died in 1943 in Gloucester, last address was Treadworth Road, Gloucester. Does anyone have information on the Holtham family and where they come from? Many thanks Marianne Bick

ok 1901 28 Tredworth Road Alfred Bick abt 1878 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Head Gloucester Gloucestershire <<Rivitter Frances J Bick abt 1900 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Gloucester Gloucestershire Jessie Bick abt 1879 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Wife Gloucester Gloucestershire Percival W Bick abt 1899 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Son Gloucester Gloucestershire Albert Dee abt 1869 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Gloucester Gloucestershire <<General Labourer Emily Dee abt 1875 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Gloucester Gloucestershire Florence Dee abt 1894 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Gloucester Gloucestershire Gladys Dee abt 1895 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Gloucester Gloucestershire Will look in other census

Jessie 1891 Name: Holtham, Jessie Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Inmate Gender: Female Where Born: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire Birth Country: England Civil parish: Hempstead Ecclesiastical parish: Hempstead Town: Hempstead County/Island: Gloucestershire Street address: View Image Condition as to marriage: View Image Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: View Image Source information: RG12/2015 Registration district: Gloucester Sub registration district: South Hamlet ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Folio: 64 Page: 26 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6097125

Not on 1881 census index, unless she is the one born in Hackney: Jesse Holtham abt 1879 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, Son 8 Commercial Street, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, Jessie Holtham abt 1870 Hackney, Middlesex,Daughter 67 Mare Street, Hackney, London, Jessie Holtham abt 1872 Handsworth, Yorkshire Daughter Handsworth Hall, Handsworth, Yorkshire, 1891 has Holtham, Jessie Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Inmate Gender: Female Where Born: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire Civil parish: Hempstead Ecclesiastical parish: Hempstead Town: Hempstead County/Island: Gloucestershire Source information: RG12/2015 Folio: 64 Page: 26 Registration district: Gloucester Sub reg district: South Hamlet ED, institution, or vessel: 5 at Newark House, which appears to be an institution full of teenage girls.

Found this family is it a coincidink 1891 Holtham, Florence Mabel abt 1890 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Chorlton on Medlock Lancashire Holtham, Jessie Katherine abt 1867 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Wife Chorlton on Medlock Lancashire Holtham, Thomas Henry abt 1868 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Head Chorlton on Medlock Lancashire <<Grocers assistant

Hopefuly by purchasing Jessies Marriage Cert you'd have her father recorded : Marriages Jun 1898 Bick Alfred Gloucester 6a 536 Holtham Jessie Gloucester 6a 536 Going by the info found for 1891 this MIGHT be her birth: Births Dec 1878 Holtham Jessie Cheltenham 6a 452

With the same 1879 dob and place of birth Cheltenham on 1891 and 1881 I went back to 1881 to check out Jesse, son. The image clearly says Jesse and son, but I wondered if this was an error and the enumerator wrote down Jesse as a lad's name because he knew it and just asked the age without checking sex of child. Rest of household: RG11/2576 111 p.33 8 Commercial Street, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, Sarah Ann Holtham abt 1854 Lower Guiting, Glos, Head laundress [column with marital condition is difficult to read, and could say wid, but I think it says Mar] Francis S. Holtham abt 1876 Cheltenham, Son scholar Jesse Holtham abt 1879 Cheltenham,Son

Think this might be Jessie in 1881, although the spelling is wrong and has been entered as son instead of daughter:- Francis S. Holtham abt 1876 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son 8 Commercial Street, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England ***Jesse Holtham*** abt 1879 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son 8 Commercial Street, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Sarah Ann Holtham abt 1854 Lower Guiting, Gloucestershire, England Head 8 Commercial Street, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Kath. x

I think it best to get her birth cert then we would know parents names Zoe

Helen Little Nell you might be correct in 1891 1 Alma Place Holtham, Francis L abt 1875 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Barton St Mary Gloucestershire <Tram Conductor Holtham, Sarah A abt 1854 Lower Guitring, Gloucestershire, England Head Barton St Mary Gloucestershire <<Laundress No Jessie with them Zoe

Hi im looking for any information on another A lfred Bick who was born in Birmingham 1886,son of i think George Bick of Gloucs & possibly a relative of the Alfred Bick first mentioned. Details of when he died & where he is buried i would like to find out please. He is my great grandfather. Thank you.

First of all a big thank-you to all for your advice. Since first posting my request I have obtained both birth and marriage certificates for my Jessie Holtham.

Jessie Holtham was born 4th December 1878: Her birth certificate records only her mother: Sarah Holtham, Laundress, Lacey's Court, Exmouth Street, Cheltenham - whether or not Sarah was a single mother or married is not clear.

Jessie Holtham married Alfred Bick on 18 June 1898 at St James Church in Gloucester. The marriage certificate records her as follows: Jessie Holtham, age 20, Spinster, Laundress, Residence Percy Street, Father: Norman Holtham, Labourer.

As I have a comprehensive tree for the BICK family. My search is now concentrating on my Jessie Holtham's parents:
Norman Holtham - where, when was he born, married, died?
Sarah Holtham? - again where, when was she born, is this her maiden name, if not what was she called prior to marrying Norman?

Would appreciate any pointers in the right direction.
Many thanks
Marianne

This looks like Jessie in 1891 in an Industrial Training Home for Girls:-

Name: Jessie Holtham
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Hempstead
Ecclesiastical parish: Hempstead
Town: Hempstead
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address: Newark House

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Gloucester
Sub-registration district: South Hamlet
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Emma Birt 16
Mary Ann Burgess 15
Beatrice Anna Christopher 35
Theresa David 16
Mary Catherine Eales 46
Harriet Edwards 18
Emily Anna Fowler 13
Jane Francis 15
Charlotte E Gibley 50
Lilly Goodfellow 15
Sarah Goodfellow 14
Florence Green 14
Eliza Ann Harse 16
>>>Jessie Holtham 12 <<<
Alice King 22
Agnes Oct Lake 21
Emily Lane 12
Madge Ogilvie Mallock 17
May Maule 14
Emily Metson 15
Mary Ellen Moore 15
Ellen New 17
Ada Mary Nicholls 14
Marth Pile 15
Georgiana Plumridge 16
Beuhice Pullman 13
Ethel Quinton 16
Susan Reyner 15
Martha Rowley 13
Emily Matilda Russell 17
Margaret Shipley 12
Lydia Small 23
Matilda Tayler 61
Emily Ann Titt 16
Mary Elizth Trenbish 15
Jessie Watkins 15
Clara West 17
Alice Woodnertt 10
Jessie Woodward 45
Bessie Young 13
Elizabeth Young 16

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2015; Folio 64; Page 26; GSU roll: 6097125.

Kath. x

I think this might be Sarah Holtham in the 1871 census as an unmarried servant, which would make Holtham her maiden name. Jessie may have just "made up" a father for her marriage certificate to save face with the in-laws (this happened a lot). The head of the household was a launderess, so perhaps Sarah was trained as a launderess at a later date.

Name: Sarah Holtham
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Winchcombe, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Cheltenham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Cheltenham
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address: 1 Shurdington Place

Occupation: Domestic servant

Condition as to marriage: unmarried

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Cheltenham
Sub-registration district: Cheltenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 190
Household Members: Name Age

Henry Clark 25
Sophia Clark 52
Hannah Cross 21
Sarah Holtham 17

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2674; Folio: 63; Page: 30; GSU roll: 835335.

I can't find any trace of a Norman Holtham old enough to be Jessie's father.

Kath. x

Kathleen
A belated thank you for your information. You could be right regarding Jessie making up her father's name to save face. I cannot find a Norman Holtham either born within 30 years of Jessie's birth. I may have to concentrate on Sarah Ann instead.
Again many thanks.
Marianne xx

Hi Marianne,

After reading this thread, I decided to look to see if Sarah A Holtham married. Interestingly, I've found a marriage in 1891, district of Gloucester, Q3, 6a 502

There are two possible males she could have married (if this is of course her!) - a William Franklin and.......wait for it....a Henry NORMAN!

If this is the correct marriage for your Sarah and she did indeed marry Mr Norman - it could well explain why Jessie called her father Norman Holtham - her step-father's surname!!! (to hide her illigetimacy, sp?!!)

Helen x

Hi Helen
Thanks for your info. A while back someone else suggested Henry Norman as Jessie's possible father but I did not think it right, as I thought it was wrong. But looking at it the way you put it, it could well be true after all. This could all well explain why we find Jessie in the 1891 census in an institution for girls, in Newark House, Hempstead, Gloucestershire.
Thanks again
Marianne