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I am trying to find my Great Grandfather Albert Lee. I know that he married Ellen Swan in Harefield, Middlesex (Uxbridge district) on 27th December 1902, according to the marriage certificate he was aged 21, making him born c1881. His parents were Samuel Lee (1839) and Louisa Lake (1841). I cannot find where he was born, his birth date or siblings. I know that he died in 1943 in the Amersham district.
Can anyone help please ?
Regards
Steve

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Samuel Lee
Name: Samuel Lee to Louisa Lake
Year of Registration: 1864
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Amersham
County: Buckinghamshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 409

1871 England Census
about Samuel Lee
Name: Samuel Lee
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Louisa
Gender: Male
Where born: Amersham, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Amersham
Ecclesiastical parish: Amersham
Town: Amersham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Amersham
Sub-registration district: Amersham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Louisa Lee 29
Samuel Lee 32
Sarah Lee 12

Regards
Lewella

Now this is interesting. Looks like Sarah was actually born before the marriage

1881 England Census
about Samuel Lee
Name: Samuel Lee
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Amersham, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Amersham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address: Burry End
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Bricklayer

Registration district: Amersham
Sub-registration district: Amersham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age

Albert John Lake 1 (son)
Georgiana Lee Lake 7 (daughter)
Sarah Lake 22 (daughter)
Samuel Lee 44

Hmmmmmmmmm, this gets interesting

1891 England Census
about Albert Lee Lake
Name: Albert Lee Lake
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Amersham, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: St Peter Chalfont
Ecclesiastical parish: Chalfont St Peter
Town: Chalfont St Peter
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Amersham
Sub-registration district: Chalfont
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Lee Lake 13
Rose Lee Lake 5
Sarah Lake 36 (noted as mother and single!)
Sidney Lee Lake 3

1901 England Census
about Samuel Lee
Name: Samuel Lee
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Amersham, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Chalfont St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish: Chalfont St Peter
Town: Chalfont St Peter
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Amersham
Sub-registration district: Chalfont
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 140
Household Members:
Name Age
Daisy L Lake 8
George L Lake 6
Roland L Lake 2
Rose L Lake 14
Sarah Lake 40
Sidney L Lake 13
Samuel Lee 58

Sarah is noted as housekeeper and the children are all noted as Samuel's. I think she was more than a step daughter and housekeeper!!!

Hi Lew,
Don`t think this is him as both Samuel Lee and his son Albert Lee were bricklayers

Steve, I think the one that "Still Looking" has given you is not the right one, but I think the ones I have found are correct, as Samuel Lee I have found is a bricklayer in all the census.

What I think has happened is that Louisa entered the marriage bringing Sarah with her. Louisa then died (Samuel is noted as a widow). Samuel then started having children with Sarah.

Hi Lew,
Yes the one still looking is not the right one.
I have got Samuel Lee and Louisa Lakes marriage certificate which states that Samuel Lee was a widower aged 23 when they married. I have not been able to find death records for Louisa Lake/Lee

Sorry Steven.

Lew is right. I have deleted.


Gerri x

Hi Gerri,
OK no problem, thank you for trying.
Steve

You know, if Samuel started having an affair with Louisa's daughter Sarah, Louisa might just have taken off

Hi Lew,
That may well be the case. If I can find Sarahs birth details GRO number, I would obtain her birth certificate to find out who her parents were.

This could be it

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Sarah Lake
Name: Sarah Lake
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Amersham
County: Buckinghamshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 356

1851 England Census
about Louisa Lake
Name: Louisa Lake
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edmond
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Female
Where born: Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire, England

Registration district: Amersham
Sub-registration district: Missenden
ED, institution, or vessel: 2c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 101
Household Members:
Name Age
Edmond Lake 31
Edmond Lake 1
Emily Lake 3
Emily Lake 6
Emma Lake 34
Henry Lake 5
Louisa Lake 10
Mary A Lake 7

The birth place matches the 1871 census. Sarah was also born in Beaconsfield

Hi Lew,
Thank you again. I will obtain her birth certificate, and let you know what I find out.

1861 England Census
about Louisa Lake
Name: Louisa Lake
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: St Bartholomew The Great
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: West London
Sub-registration district: West London North
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Batter 12
Charles Batter 18
Emma Batter 2
Fanny Batter 7
James Batter 43
John Batter 14
Mary Batter 42
William Georg 17
Louisa Lake 20

Baby Sarah is staying with her grandparents, but is noted as their daughter! My guess is that Sarah was born out of wedlock

1861 England Census
about Sarah Lake
Name: Sarah Lake
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edmund
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Female
Where born: Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Beaconsfield
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Amersham
Sub-registration district: Beaconsfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 101
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Lake 8
Edmund Lake 41
Edmund Lake 12
Ellen Lake 3
Emily Lake 14
Emma Lake 41
James Lake 6
Julia Lake 5 Mo
Sarah Lake 2

I had just posted the folllowing to ancestry when I found this thread. I offer it here for comment and reaction. All records are fully sourced at my ancestry tree (Username dylbonner)

Samuel Lee and Sarah Lake
On the death of his first wife Ellen (nee Brackley), Samuel promptly married Louisa Lake of Beaconsfield who came with a 12 year old illegitimate daughter Sarah (who had heretofore been brought up as her grandparents 'daughter'). Within three years Samuel had fathered a child with the fifteen year old Sarah (Georgiana Lee Lake), and by 1871 Louisa had left him and was working in London as an 'unmarried' servant. Samuel and Sarah spent the rest of their lives together, moving to Chalfont St Peter and produciong another 6 children.

Unpleasant though this story may be I offer it as the only reasonable explanation of the following historical records.

In 1871 Louisa Lake is living with her new husband Samuel Lee and their 12 year old 'daughter' Sarah 'Lee'.
Since they had only been married for 7 years, Sarah was clearly not Samuel's child (he had had no children with his previous wife) and we must assume then that she was Louisa's.

Ten years earlier in 1861 Louisa was working as a servant in London, but her parents were bringing up a 2 year old 'daughter' Sarah in Beaconsfield. Sarah had been registered in Jun Q 1859 in Amersham RD (3a/356). Any doubt that this was actually Louisa's illegitimate child is dispelled by the IGI parish baptism record (Beaconsfield Batch C041682) which shows Louisa as mother and no listed father. Louisa was just 17 when she bore Sarah.

Sarah was initially brought up as her grandparents' child (a very common practice). Apparently she was later 'accepted' by her new stepfather as a daughter and later apparently as something more.

Louisa and Samuel married in 1864 and separated between 1871 and 1881. After this Louisa worked in London as an 'unmarried' servant, where she seems to have died in 1896.

In 1881 Samuel is living in Amersham with his 22 year old 'daughter' Sarah Lake (reverting to her original name) and two children named:
Georgiana Lee Lake (b1874) and
Albert John[!] Lake (b1880).

In 1891 Sarah Lake is living in Vicarage Lane Chalfont St Peter with her children
Albert Lee Lake (b Amersham 1878),
Rose Lee Lake (b Amersham 1886) and
Sidney Lee Lake (b Amersham 1888).

In 1901 Samuel is in Chalfont St Peter with his single 'housekeeper' Sarah Lake and his children
Rose L Lake (b Amersham 1887),
Sidney L Lake (b Amersham 1888),
Daisy L Lake (b Chalfont St Peter 1893),
George L Lake (b Chalfont St Peter 1895) and
Roland L Lake (b Chalfont St Peter 1899).

The surname Lake and the middle name Lee certainly suggests that these were the children of Samuel and his step-daughter Sarah. If the oldest, Georgi[a]na, had actually been Louisa's child then she would surely have been named Georgiana Lee and there's no good reason to name her Georgiana Lee 'Lake'. Again the IGI provides the final confirmation (Amersham Batch C013266) showing Georgina[sic] Lee Lake as daughter of Sarah Lake - no father listed. It seems Georgiana was born when Sarah was only 15 (but then her mother was only 17 when she had Sarah). Having established that Georgiana was the daughter of Sarah and Samuel then we have no reason to daoubt that all the later children were theirs. This would make a very good reason for Louisa to have left Sam only to live out her life as a servant in London and for Samuel to be very coy about his relationship with his stepdaughter (listing her variously as daughter and housekeeper).

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Regards. Cx.