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Looking for Ancestors of Annie Green

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Emma

Emma Report 15 Oct 2007 22:50

I have been trying to find ancestors of my nanna Annie Cockell (nee Green) born in Streethouse - Yorkshire, but appear to have come to a brick wall as far as Census records go.

With help from old family photos the little information I have is that her mother was called Annie Cole (1883 - 1969) of Newbury - Berkshire and she married a Henry Green (exact D.O.B. not known) of Holbeck - Leeds Annie Cole's parents were Ann(e) Howard and Benjamin Cole also of Berkshire and some of her brothers and sisters were called Elsie, Lena, Benjamin and Harry.

I would be grateful if anyone could reply if they know anything about this family.

Thanks

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 16 Oct 2007 00:49

This would be Annie's marriage:

Name: Annie Eliza Cole
Year of Registration: 1904
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 508

-- Henry Green on same page. The cert would give his age and father's name, if you are wanting to track his origins down too.

You mention Holbeck / Leeds, so would this quite likely be him in 1901?

Name: Henry Green
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James C
Mother's Name: Agnes
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Holbeck
Ecclesiastical parish: St Edward
County/Island: Yorkshire
Registration district: Holbeck
Sub-registration district: Holbeck
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 185

Household Members:
Name Age
Agnes Green 46
Henry Green 18
James C Green 43
William B Riley 17

This looks like Benjamin Cole with his parents in 1851 (he's also there in 1841):

Name: Benjaman Cole
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Newbury, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: Newbury
Town: Newbury
County/Island: Berkshire
Registration district: Newbury
Sub-registration district: Thatcham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Household schedule number: 168

Household Members:
Name Age
Benjaman Cole 14
John Cole 38
John Cole 9
Mary Cole 42
William Cole 13

(I always search by abbreviated names, as I did here, for ben* -- in case of misspellings, as there is in fact in this case.)

But yeah, eh? -- where'd he go from there??

Aha. A beginning, at the end? In 1891:

Name: Benjamin Cote
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Newbury, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: South Lambeth St Ann
County/Island: London
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Kennington First
ED, institution, or vessel: 16

Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Cote 54
Hannah Cote 56

It says COLE, not Cote.

And that's the closest-looking person in the post-1851 censuses I can find!

I'm not related, just avoiding work ... and working on the genealogy karma hypothesis, that if I can find the origins of enough other people's mysterious gr-grfathers, maybe someday someone will find mine. ;)

Doing a danged lousy job of this one, though ...

Okay. In 1861, how about:

Name: Benjamin Cole
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Newbury, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Grays Inn Lane
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 74

Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Cole 24
Elizabeth Wilson 8
John Wilson 24
John Wilson 3
Sarah Wilson 26

? He's a boot closer. Sound any good?

Uh oh -- 1871:

Name: Benjamin Cole
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Convict
Gender: Male
Where born: Newbury, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: Woking
Town: Knaphill
County/Island: Surrey
Registration district: Guildford
Sub-registration district: Woking
ED, institution, or vessel: Invalid Convict Prison

And uh oh uh oh -- in 1881:

Name: Benjamin Cole
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Convict
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol
Civil Parish: Northwood
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: "Convict Prison" Parkhurst
Education:
Occupation: Shoemaker
Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Cowes
ED, institution, or vessel: Convict Prison

Shoemaker. Looks like he could be the same one as the one in 1861. Born in Bristol? The rest matches, and no Benjamin Cole born in Bristol appears in any other censuses.

So none of this makes a whole lot of sense -- unless, if this is your Benjamin, he did time in prisons interspersed with marrying and having children.

Those census records for what seems to be that single Benjamin Cole are really just the only Benjamin Cole born in Berkshire that there is.

By 1891, your Annie's mother could have formed a household with someone else (and that could be Benjamin in Lambeth having done the same).

In that case, the children could appear in 1891 with a different surname. But I'm danged if I can find anybody that looks like them.

There's this household in 1891:

Anne Cole 38 - widow, needlewoman
Chas Fred K Cole 9
Harry Thos Cole 6
Thos B Slade 21 - boarder, tinman

with a Harry, but that's the closest I can see to any of the kids with a parent to match your Ann(e) and/or Benjamin.


Things to mull, anyhow!