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Hi,
I have been looking for some information on my nan who I thought was Elizabeth Smith for years and years but out of the blue a cousin of mine finally cracked the code her name was really Mary Ann elizabeth Turner,
her mother was not married and was given the surname of Turner and not Smith.
I have a copy of her birth Cert. She was born 19 Feb 1900 father named as Charles, Mother named as Olive Turner a Barmaid and address being 21 John Street, West Ham.
That is all I know about her and her family can anyone do some detective work and shine some more light on her life
Many thanks
Pete

cant see a marriage ? this says married 14 years

SMITH, Charley Head Married M 32 1879 Dock Labourer Plaistow Essex VIEW
SMITH, Olive Wife F 33 1878 Plaistow VIEW
SMITH, Lizzie F 11 1900 School Plaistow VIEW
SMITH, Charley M 10 1901 School Plaistow VIEW
SMITH, Willie M 8 1903 Plaistow VIEW
SMITH, John M 6 1905 Plaistow VIEW
SMITH, Ernest M 0 (7 MONTHS) 1911 Custom House VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9486 Reference:
RG14PN9486 RG78PN508 RD188 SD4 ED16 SN350

Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
Canning Town Enumeration District:
16 Parish:
West Ham

Address:
68 Garvary Road

hi,
thanks Lindsey
Garvery road came up a lot with some family members.

Pete

Cant find them together on 1901 census yet.

I may have hit on something, I remember my mother saying that her nan Olive Turner ran away fron home when she was young with her sister, their father being a publican and he had married again after his first wife had died. the two sisters did not get on with their step mother.
I have just found on the 1881 census an Olive.O.Turner daughter of a publican at 101 Rosomand St.
but on closer inspection the O would that be O'Turner do you think?
Pete

I'll throw this in just because its mainly boarders, she might have used another name or not.
1901 England Census about Lizzie Smith
Name: Lizzie Smith
Age: 2 Months
Estimated birth year: abt 1901
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: East Ham, Essex, England
Civil Parish: East Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene
Town: East Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: East Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 63
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 238
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Crump 47
Emma Crump 46
Stephen Crump 16
Hilda Crump 11
Samuel Ream 44
James Acrey 27
Joseph Richison 28
William Farrow 27
Lizzie Excell 32 married monthly nurse
Edith Smith 24 single
Lizzie Smith 2 Months
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Dusty, I've had a look at that 1881 and the O is odd.

If the name was O'Turner then I would have thought that when they copy the dittos on each line they wouldn't put an O in as well?

O'Turner isn't a name I've come across before, either.

I know very strange even the wife Mary has O. that's what made me think it maybe O' but as you said Never come across that name before??
Pete

I've got no sign of the family after 1881 I think they my have left that public house?

Your Olive??

1901

Name: Olive Turner
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Braintree, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Richmond
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary and St Matthias
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Richmond
Sub-registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Household Members: Name Age
William Wilkins 39
Sarah Wilkins 39
Winifred Emily Wilkins 8
May Carter 24
Lilian Smith 20
Lizzie Stadden 29
Fannie Louisa Miller 21
Dova Chapman 28
Elizabeth Low 54
Olive Turner 20



1891

Name: Olive K Turner
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Braintree, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: West Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Gardiner 53
Florence E Gardiner 19
Frank G Gardiner 17
Lilian Gardiner 12
Olive K Turner 13

1881

Name: Olive K. Turner
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Henry Turner
Mother's name: Susannah Turner
Gender: Female
Where born: Bocking, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Bocking
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address: Rayne Road
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Braintree
Sub-registration district: Bocking
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Turner 50 Coach Builder
Susannah Turner 44
Herbert Turner 16
William G. Turner 15
Edith E. Turner 13
Ada M. Turner 11
Walter G. Turner 9
Austin E. Turner 6
Ernest A. Turner 5
Olive K. Turner 3

well I don't know which one to concentrate on now the Olive from Islington or the one from Braintree both sound good leads.
Many thanks
Pete

On the 1911 census Olive gives her birthplace as Essex.

I know but Essex was west ham and other parts of now London

It is early days as yet as i only found out about my grandmother's birth Cert this week so names and dates are still wizzing around my head but also very exciting as i have some very good leads thanks to you all
pete
P.S
I did notice that on my grandmother's birth Cert Olives job was Barmaid which would fit in with her father being a publican??