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Hi i have been looking for a james ward for what seems like a life time, i have found him on the 1911 census, married to a selina, the childrens names are there, philip and albert, the other children arnt on there so i am assuming they have got married, although on the census they have said that they have been married for 21 years i cannot find any record of a james ward and a selina elsmore getting married,selina had been married before to a william owen, i have found that marriage selina married william in 1884, but if james and selina had been married 21 years in 1911 that means they would of got marred in 1890, i cannot find any record of this so i have come to the conclusion that they did not really marry, i tried to find a death of james ward but to no avail, he was born in newcastle under lyme in 1869. This man is a complete mystery to me, it is driving me mad, any tips or advice would be very appriciated as to where i can go from here selinas eldest child was also called selina, i belive she was from her first marrriage to william, the other kids where philip born in 1904, ( he was my grandad) there was albert, elsie, richard and lilly, i can seem to trace them up to 1911 but , as i said i cannot find a marriage for james and selina and i cannot find any record of death

The marriage will be to a selina Owen, not Selina Elsmore

what does 190-1 census say?

children were who? born where & when?

Is this them in 1891?


1891 England Census
about James Ward
Name: James Ward
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle Under Lyme, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews
Town: Bordesley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 75
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Household Members:
Name Age
Henry G Shephard 21
Sarah A Shephard 24
James Ward 22
Selina Ward 25 visitor, b Ledbury, Herts
Selina Shephard (should be Ward) 2 b Cardiff

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1901 England Census
about James Ward
Name: James Ward
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Selina
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle Under Lyme

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
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Household schedule number: 181
Household Members:
Name Age
James Ward 33
Selina Ward 35
Selina Ward 12 b Cardiff
Lily Ward 9 b Birmingham
Richard Ward 7 b Birmingham
Elsie Ward 6 b Birmingham

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not Selina tho'

Marriages Jun 1900 (>99%)
Eccles Edmund Blackburn 8e 803 S
Owen Kate Blackburn 8e 803
Thompson Eliza Ann Blackburn 8e 803
Ward James Blackburn 8e 803

Marriages Jun 1884 (>99%)
ELSMORE Selina Neath 11a 908 <<<<
HARRIES John Neath 11a 908
Jenkins Sarah Ann Neath 11a 908
Owen William Neath 11a 908 <<<<

Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
Gledhill Selina Manchester 8d 287
Martin Sarah Ann Manchester 8d 287
Parkinson John Henry Manchester 8d 287
Ward James Manchester 8d 287


can someone check the scan please
I can't read it and there is a lady missing
maybe it's Selina Owen?? or not

Marriages Sep 1893 (>99%)
Gledhill Tom Harry Ashton 8d 651
Graham Harry Ashton 8d 651
Radcliffe Hannah Ashton 8d 651 S

Well - they were certainly telling 'porkies' somewhere as they were not married when 'little' Selina was born as it looks like she was born an 'Owen'??

Births Dec 1888

OWEN Selina Cardiff 11a 31_ - ref no. will need to be checked if you want the cert!!

Dea x

DQ 1888

OWEN Selina Cardiff 11a 319

No marriage for Selina Owen listed SQ 1893

thanks Pam
back to the drawing board

Here's that 1893 marriage. There's an awful lot of Selinas around.

Marriages Sep 1893 (>99%)
Gledhill Tom Harry Ashton 8d 651 Scan available - click to view
Graham Harry Ashton 8d 651 Scan available - click to view
Hampson Selina Ashton 8d 651 Scan available - click to view
Radcliffe Hannah Ashton 8d 651