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I need help as I've got a bit stuck and no more credits for 1911 census!

Phoebe OWEN b 1874 married Joseph George WILLIAMS in June 1891 in Bethnal Green. On the 1891 census she is unmarried in the Workhouse with new born baby Minnie Owen. in 1901 Phoebe & Joseph Williams are with children Phoebe jnr 1893, Joseph jnr 1895, Arthur 1897 and Louisa 1899 in Sidney Street, Bethnal Green. I am pretty certain Minnie didn't survive as I have found a death in 1891.

I think I have found Phoebe in 1911 as a lodger in a lodging house in Whitechapel - her age and years married (19) tie up as does her occupation - boot fitter and her birth place - Bethnal Green.

I cannot find the rest of the family in 1911 and I would dearly love to solve this mystery for my mum - Phoebe Owen is her auntie (her dad's eldest sister) that she didn't even know existed until we started doing some family research!

Gai

Were they all born in Bethnal Green?

This one was born in Bethnal Green

INSTITUTION WILLIAMS LOUISA F 1900 11 West Ham Essex

Born in Bethnal Green - occupation Packing Case Maker (as in 1901)

WILLIAMS JOSEPH M 1870 41 St Olave (Bermondsey) London

That must be Joseph Senior - he's a packing case maker on his marriage certificate? Do you have the address? Is there anyone else with him?

The Louisa is a possiblity too - perhaps the family were all split up?

Gai

Sorry - yes, all children born in Bethnal Green. The Owen and the Williams moved around a bit over the years but all in the Bethnal Green area.

Gai

Sorry, Gai, I'm only using the free search.

But, as far as I can determine, Joseph is not with any other family members

Well, you are doing better than I did! OK. I may have to buy some more credits - narrowing it down is the key is guess! If the ones you have found already are right, it would seem a pretty sad end to this family.

G

Freewheel - which free search are you using? The occupation doesn't show up on the 1911 at findmypast - it does make it a little easier to narrow down.

Any luck with Phoebe or Joseph junior - or Arthur ??

Gai

Address:
Bethnal green workhuse
Leytonstone N E

WILLIAMS, Louisa Inmate F 11 1900 Schoolgirl London Bethnal Green .

On her own there,all girls school

I use this site.............

http://www.1911census.co.uk/

...............and using the advanced search options, specified his occupation

WILLIAMS JOSEPH M 1896 15 Bethnal Green London

Says married 5 years.

WILLIAMS, Joseph Head Married M 41 1870 Export Packing Case Maker London Bethnal Green
WILLIAMS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 36 1875 Middlesex Edmonton
WILLIAMS, Joseph Son Married M 3 1908 Middlesex Edmonton
WILLIAMS, Rose Daughter F 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 London Whitechapel

WILLIAMS JOSEPH M 1896 15 Bethnal Green London

Not him Fran,he is with parents John and Florence

Thanks both

Not sure that's the right Joseph - but age is right and Rose is a family name - he has a younger sister called Rose (also a sister Louisa and a brother Alfred) But Phoebe is listed in the lodging house as being married 19 years.

And his youngest daughter in the workhouse! What a B**d!

Oh - I was refering to the one married to Elizabeth. missed the post of the younger Jospeh - I can discount that one - thanks!

Gai

Thanks, Viv - hadn't got round to cross-checking

Freewheel - clever tip about using the occupation from a previous census - I didn't think of that - but then I guess that's why I'm doing the asking and you have the answers!!!

Thanks!

Sara - I didn't pick up the children in the 1911 for Phoebe. I seem to be missing two children and one who died (if we count Minnie who died in 1891. How do I find these on free bmd - mothers maiden not in index until 1912 I think?? Any ideas??

Gai

Thanks Sara - right age - and Pheobe's father and one of her brothers was a glass blower so that would make sense. Do you know if the Infirmary is a hospital or another type of workhouse?

G