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I have found my great grandmother Jane Williams who married a Edward William Swan in 1871 in Bridge, nr. Canterbury, she was born in Port Madoc, North Wales, another name I have is Penmoria, she was born 1844. On her marriage certificate I have her fathers name as Humphrey Williams, a Farmer, and roughly I worked out he was born 1795, I cannot seem to trace him at all, can anyone help, it would greatly be appreciated.

Jane Williams

Wales Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907
residence: Caer, Wales
parents: Humphrey Williams, Jane

record title: Wales Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907
name: Jane Williams
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 11 Aug 1844
baptism/christening place: BOTTWNNOG,CAERNARVON,WALES
father's name: Humphrey Williams
mother's name: Jane
indexing project (batch) number: C08268-1
system origin: Wales-ODM
source film number: 104554

1881

Edward SWAN Head W Male 55 Bridge, Kent, England Ag Lab
Frank SWAN Son U Male 21 Bridge, Kent, England Ag Lab
Clara SWAN Daur Female 14 Bridge, Kent, England Housekeeper


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Source Information:
Dwelling Cottage Greast Pett Farm
Census Place Bridge, Kent, England
Family History Library Film 1341227
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0955 / 33
Page Number 23

1851

Name: Jane Williams
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Humphrey Williams
Mother's name: Jane Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: Bottwnog, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Bottwnog
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Pwllheli
Sub-registration district: Aberdaron
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
Humphrey Williams 34
Jane Williams 32
Jane Williams 6
Cathrine Williams 5
Robert Jones 15

Hi, the one in Bottwnog is not the one as its too far away, I've looked on the map, the one in Penmorfa on 1851 census is the likely one, many thanks

1861

Name: Humphrey Williams
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Bryncroes, Caernarvonshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Mellteyrn
Ecclesiastical parish: Bangor
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Pwllheli
Sub-registration district: Aberdaron
ED, institution, or vessel: 11b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
Humphrey Williams 45
Jane Williams 42
Jane Williams 16
Cathrine Williams 15
William Williams 9
John Humphreys 32

The one born in Penmorfa had a father named OWEN

'Too far' from where?

Porthmadog, North Wales

Could you give me the information again of the 1851 census as it seem to have disappeared when you sent the information, thank you

Jane Williams married a Edward William Swan in 1871, her father was a farmer named Humphrey Williams, this was on the marriage certificate, I'm beginning to wonder if she wasn't born in Porthmadog, confusing

What leads you to think she was born in Porthmadog?

I deleted the other census info as soon as I saw from 1841 that the father's name was wrong

My Aunt told me she was born there and I've seen later census after 1871 stating that she came from there, the man she married became a Police Constable in 1871, I think it was on the 1881 census the name came up. I really appreciate your help on this,

For confirmation.................re-posting

1851

Name: Jane Williams
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Jane Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: Penmorfa, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Penmorfa
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Festiniog
Sub-registration district: Llanfihangel
ED, institution, or vessel: 4a
Household schedule number: 85
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Williams 37
Thomas Williams 15
Griffith Williams 12
John Williams 10
Robert Williams 9
Jane Williams 7
Grace Williams 4
Eleanor Williams 1

AND............

1841

Name: Jane Williams
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Female
Where born: Caernarvonshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Pen Morfa
Hundred: Evionydd
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Festiniog
Sub-registration district: Tremadoc
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
Owen Williams 35
Jane Williams 25
William Williams 6
Thomas Williams 5
Griffith Williams 2
John Williams 9 MO

If her age in 1881 is accurate, she was born earlier than you thought

Name: Jane Swann
[Jane Swan]
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Edward N. Swann
Gender: Female
Where born: Portmador, Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish: St James Isle of Grain
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address: Church Rd Trap & Haggis
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Hoo
Sub-registration district: Hoo
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edward N. Swann 33
Jane Swann 38
Frank Swann 9
Clara Swann 7
Arthur E. Swann 6
John H. Swann 5
William Swann 4
Humphry W. Swann 3
Kate Jane Swann 1

1901

Name: Jane Swan
Age: 58
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Edward W Swan
Gender: Female
Where born: Penaneres Portnade, Wales

Civil Parish: Bredgar
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
Town: Bredgar
County/Island: Kent
Country: England


Registration district: Milton
Sub-registration district: Milton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 90
Household Members: Name Age
Edward W Swan 54
Jane Swan 58
William Swan 24
Hunphery Swan 22
Herbert Swan 18
Minnetta Swan 14
Irving Swan 11

thank you for that, I'm beginning to wonder if it may have been a brother who gave her away, what do you think?

Still in Wales in 1871..........and your girl married in Kent in June qtr..........does that seem likely? How/when could they have met?

Name: Jane Williams
[Jane William]
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Humphrey William
Mother's name: Jane Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: Meillteyrn, Caernarfonshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Meyllteyrn
Ecclesiastical parish: Aberdaron
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Pwllheli
Sub-registration district: Aberdaron
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 45
Household Members: Name Age
Humphrey William 54
Jane Williams 52
Jane Williams 26
Cathrine Williams 25

The last two census information are the family that I'm linked with, now its the working back from there, I've got back to Bridge where she was a servant in 1871, its from there back I can't get.

She married on June 3rd, the question as to how they would have met is very baffelling indeed

There may be a clue, not sure when the census take place, but on the census of 1871 she is a cook, it looks like a Jane Williams on the census the person underneath is Eliza Cook, that was the name on the marriage certificate who was one of her witnesses, if you look it up I typed in Eliza Cook born in Bridge