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I have hit a hurdle - not sure if anyone can help

According to family stories my Great Grandfather emigrated to Australia - possibly something to do with singer sewing machines. I dont know when he went - he was on the 1911 census in Fulham.

My Grandfather (John Williams b.1909) and his sister Dorothy (b.1906) stayed in the UK with their mother Dorothy Brinkworth (b. 1883) and in 1918 she had a the first of several further children with another father - we know that she never married the second man. So this should narrow down his emigration to between 1911 (after the census) and 1918 (when the further child was born).

I guess therefore that my Great Grandfather was still alive in Australia and they never divorced. I would love to find out what happened to him - where he went in Australia and if he had more family.

I have tried to look at passenger lists etc but the name William Williams is not an easy one to find - also I dont know the exact year or the departure or arrival points.

Any help with where to next would be gratefully received!

Thanks

Karen

for reference

1911 census - household transcription
Person: WILLIAMS, Dorothy
Address: 11 Grimston Road Fulham
WILLIAMS, William Head Married M 34 1877 Repairer Of Sewing Machines Northampton Kettering VIEW
WILLIAMS, Dorothy Wife Married
6 years F 26 1885 Sussex Hastings VIEW
WILLIAMS, Dorothy Daughter F 5 1906 Sussex St Leonards VIEW
WILLIAMS, John Son M 1 1910 Bucks Bourne End

William Williams

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1878 — Kettering, Northampton, England
residence: York Mint Yard & St Wilfred, York, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: William Williams
age: 3
gender: Male
birth year: 1878
birthplace: Kettering, Northampton, England
relationship to head of household: Son
address: Museum St Toll Collectors House
census place: York Mint Yard & St Wilfred, York, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1342140
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 4717 / 67
page number:

i cannot find a william williams 1877 going to australia in that time frame and sewing machine repairer.

if you can tell us his parents' names it might help

death certificates in Australia show parents' names (if the person reporting the death knew them) and the death records for some states can be searched on line using parents' given names

this would be him in 1901? EDIT !! that should be __1891__ !!

Name: William Williams
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Williams <<<
Mother's name: Elizabeth Williams <<<
Gender: Male
Where born: Kettering, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Fulham <<<

John Williams 42
Elizabeth Williams 49
John Williams 19
William Williams 13
Emily H Williams 8
Louisa C Williams 12
Sarah Jone Phillips 28



the 1881 census posted earlier ... details are

Elizabeth Williams 42
Sarah E. Williams 13
John Williams 7
Elizabeth C. Williams 5
William Williams 3
Joseph Williams 20

so that appears to be a red herring

there were several William Williams s born in Kettering around that time in the censuses

an alternative 1901

1901 census - household transcription
Person: WILLIAMS, William
Address: 80, Askew Road, Hammersmith

WILLIAMS, William Head Single M 23 1878 Pawnbroker's Shop
Kettering
Northamptonshire

Thanks everyone for your help on this.
Williams parents were John (b. 1849 - chipping norton, ox) and Elizabeth (b. 1849 - dudley , w. mid) - not sure of her maiden name.

William's siblings were sarah b.1868 (Dudley), John b. 1874 (Truro), Elizabeth b.1876 (Kettering) and Emily b. 1883 (Ashton U Lyne)

The father was a toll keeper so they moved around a lot.

Any help tracing the Australian part would be great.

Thanks again

Karen

John Williams

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: Oxford, England
parents: Adam Williams, Elizabeth

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: John Williams
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 24 Sep 1848
baptism/christening place: CHIPPING NORTON,OXFORD,ENGLAND
father's name: Adam Williams
mother's name: Elizabeth
indexing project (batch) number: C02016-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number:

a toll keeper!! so the one I posted was not a "red herring" as has been suggested - that's nice to know

I feel for you by the way - my paternal line is Williams and I'm in Wales!!

1901Address: 129, Hurlingham Road, Fulham
WILLIAMS, John Head Married M 52 1849 Retired Publican
Chipping Norton Oxfordshire
WILLIAMS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 60 1841
Dudley Worcestershire
WILLIAMS, Elizabeth Chtte Daughter Single F 25 1876
Kettering Northamptonshire
WILLIAMS, Emily Harriet Daughter Single F 18 1883
Audenshaw Lancashire
WILLIAMS, John Grand Son M 2 1899 Cape Colony
BAKER, Ada Servant Single F 21 1880 General Servant Pimlico

1891 Address: 8, Inverness Terrace, Fulham
WILLIAMS, John Head Married M 42 1849 Living On Own Means
Much Norton Oxfordshire
WILLIAMS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 49 1842
Dudley Warwickshire
WILLIAMS, John Son Single M 17 1874 Truro Cornwall
WILLIAMS, William Son Single M 13 1878 Scholar Kettering Northamptonshire
WILLIAMS, Emily H Daughter Single F 8 1883 Scholar
Ashton Under Lyne Lancashire
WILLIAMS, Louisa C Niece Single F 12 1879 Scholar London
PHILLIPS, Sarah Jane Servant Single F 28 1863 General Servant
Tipton Staffordshire

1881 Address: Toll Collectors House, Museum St, St Wilfred
WILLIAMS, Elizabeth Wife Head Married F 42 1839 Wife Of Toll Lessee
Dudley Worcestershire
WILLIAMS, Sarah E Daughter Single F 13 1868
Dudley Worcestershire
WILLIAMS, John Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar
Truro Cornwall
WILLIAMS, Elizabeth C Daughter Single F 5 1876
Kettering Northamptonshire
WILLIAMS, William Son Single M 3 1878
Kettering Northamptonshire
WILLIAMS, Joseph Servant Single M 20 1861 Assist Toll Collector
Birchanger Essex

so that looks like the correct family now. that information would have been useful yesterday when I searched first time round.

It doesn't really help but I wonder if he could possibly be this one?

Occupation is Engineer, which 'could' perhaps fit? - It doesn't mention Sewing Machines but
we would tend to call repairers of any type of machine an 'engineer' nowadays ??

passenger transcript details
Name: Wm WILLIAMS
Date of departure: 11 September 1913
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Melbourne, Australia
Passenger destination: Melbourne, Australia

Date of Birth: 1878 (calculated from age)
Age: 35
Marital status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: Engineer
Passenger recorded on: Page 11 of 42

Ship:

OTRANTO
124675
D R W Parsons
Orient
Australia

Perhaps someone with access to the incoming records at the Australia end can find some more details on him for you?

Dea x

Thanks for that - I'll check into it - I have looked at a couple of possibilities - not sure if I had seen this one.

It's family say so around the Australia connection - im wondering if that is the red herring!

Thanks to everyone for their help

Karen

hmm i wondered about that one too.

engineer has wide possibilities.

Well, it is at least worth someone taking a look at the incoming in Australia, if only to discount it?

Couldn't find anything else to fit.

Dea x

if anyone has access to this I would be grateful - thanks

https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria

the Victoria index shows two deaths for

William Williams
father John
mother Elizabeth

the records are very cheap to view ... you can see both of those for $1 AUS ... but you need to buy credits

it can be searched by mother's maiden name but you don't knwo Elizabeth's ... you will eventually want a child's birth certificate to get that name if you plan to search farther back I would imagine