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HELP please anyone joseph wright seem to have hit a brick wall got information on josephs marriage to Ellen lomas,worsbrough dale yorkshire,cant find birth certificate he married december 17th 1870,his father was also Joseph a labourer anything appreciated would like to get his mothers name HELP regards Pat.

Pat,

do you still have the original thread on this? If you do add the info there 'cos your Joseph Wright was a tricky little monkey..... occupation Glass Blower if I remember rightly?


Dee x

This looks like the marriage on Ancestry

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Joseph Wright
Name: Joseph Wright
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Barnsley
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 207
Married Ellen Lomas

Does the marriage certificate give Joseph's age?

There is this Joseph Wright living in Worsbrough on the 1851 census (but it looks as if his mother may have been married previously or she had Joseph when she was single as his surname is different to the rest of the family):-

Name: Joseph Wright
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Anne
Gender: Male
Where born: Hemsworth, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Worsbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Barnsley
Sub-registration district: Darfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 81
Household Members:
Name Age

Joseph Semor 31 (I think the image says Senior)
Anne Semor 25
George Semor 13
Joseph Wright 2
Charles Senior 6 Mo

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2333; Folio: 257; Page: 21; GSU roll: 87577.

Kath. x

Hi Dee still got but its his father and mother i want now brick wall! regards Pat.

Hi Kath the marriage certificate says joseph was 22 thanks Pat.

here's the other thread for info

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1202701

Pat,

I've nudged your thread.... it would be best to stick to that thread 'cos all the background work has been done.

It also shows how Joseph changes his birth area... this may help with finding his parents.


Dee x

Hi Dee thanks most confusing will i ever get to the bottom of it.Regards Pat.

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Patricia 6th March 2010 09:48 Request review
any information on joseph wright worsbrough dale yorkshire profession labourer not sure date of birth his son was also joseph wright born approx 1848 any clues about joseph wright seniors marriage ?also william lomas profession miner his daughter ellen lomas married joseph wright junior have got their marriage certificate but seem stuck noiw any help appreciated thanks Pat.

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Mel 6th March 2010 09:59 Request review
Is this junior with his wife for ref?

1871 England Census
about Joseph Wright
Name: Joseph Wright
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Worsbro Dale, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Worsborough
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Worsborough Dale
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Barnsley
Sub-registration district: Worsborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 139
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Wright 23
Ellen Wright 20
George Wright 2 weeks




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Mel 6th March 2010 10:04 Request review
What was Joseph senior's occupation on the marriage cert please?

Edit silly me you have said Labourer!!!!!!!!!

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Mel 6th March 2010 10:14 Request review
Mistranscribed as Senior and not Wright. Also the last child!! Occupation of father Glass Blower.


1851 England Census
about Joseph Wright
Name: Joseph Wright
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Anne
Gender: Male
Where born: Hemsworth, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Worsbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:Worsbrough Dale.

Occupation:


Registration district: Barnsley
Sub-registration district: Darfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 81
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Semor 31
Anne Semor 25
George Semor 13
Joseph Wright 2
Charles Senior 6 Mo

HO107; Piece: 2333; Folio: 257; Page: 21



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This looks like the same Senior family that I found in the 1851 census but now in the 1861 census with Joseph Wright being called Joseph Senior:-

Name: Chas Senior
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Worsborough, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Worsbrough
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image
Registration district: Barnsley
Sub-registration district: Worsbrough
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 146
Household Members:
Name Age

Joseph Senior 41
Ann Senior 30
Geo Perkes Senior 27
Joseph Senior 12
Chas Senior 11
Wm Senior 8
Sarah A Senior 2

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3452; Folio: 63; Page: 27; GSU roll: 543134.

I'd say this is a good bet for your Joseph Wright - he probabl;y decided he should use his birth name rather than his stepfather's name on his marriage certificate. Do any of the witnesses to the marriage give a clue?

Kath. x

Hi Kath most complicated i cant believe the mixed up lives thanks Pat.

???

Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%)
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Hodgson Ann Ecclesfield 22 140
Hodgson Ann * 22 140
Mitchell Ann Ecclesfield 22 140
Nelson Joseph Ecclesfield 22 140
Roodhouse Sarah Ecclesfield 22 140
>>>>>>>>>>Senior Joseph Ecclesfield 22 140
Swift Joshua Ecclesfield 22 140
Topham William Ecclesfield 22 140
>>>>>>>>>>>Wright Ann Ecclesfield 22 140

I don't really think it's all that complicated - it still happens today. Lots of children are born with one name and then are known by their step-father's name so that the whole family use one name. In the past though, people often thought that they had better return to their birth name on official documents.

Kath. x

His fathers name on marriage certificate was Joseph wright same as his a labourer,by profession witness Robert inchbold,and Henry Allerton as far as i can make out thanks pat.

If Joseph gave his name as Joseph Wright to the vicar or registrar and was then asked what his father's name was and he just said "Joseph", then the person recording the information probably just "assumed" that his father's surname was Wright too.

Kath. x

JOSEPH SENIOR Pedigree
Male Family

Parents:
Father: GEORGE SENIOR Family


Marriages:
Spouse: ANN WRIGHT Family
Marriage: 23 NOV 1849 Darfield, Yorkshire, England

Husband Age at Marriage: 29
Wife Age at Marriage: 23

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.

Not come back again!!!!

I'm off now to get my shopping.

I never had a reply from Patrica the first time I helped her!

Mel

Mel,

Patricia did reply on here about half an hour ago, so perhaps she has had to go off to do other things - we all have other things in our lives.

Kath. x

Sorry Mel did have other things to do like work! thanks for all your information regards Pat.