Genealogy Chat

I am trying to find an ancestor who in 1851 was described as a Pauper. I don't know if she was still married at ths time but how do I find out where she was. Or what had happened to her. She was from the Portsmouth area.

Have you found her on any census?

Libby

1861 Census for Portsmouth is on FreeCen.

Alistair

put her name up and may be someone can find her .... or what happened to her.


sylvia

Found her in the 1851 Census. Her name was Margaret Fogwill in Portsmouth

1851 census:

Name: Margaret Fogwill
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1794
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Portsea, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Portsmouth
Town: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub registration district: Portsea Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Fogwill 11
Emma Fogwill 9
Margaret Fogwill 57
William Fogwill 7
Thomas Hann 24

She's a widow, living at a private address in Crown Street. Thomas Hann is a visitor, the other Fogwill's are her children.

This one might need investigating

Deaths Mar 1868

Fogwill Margaret 52 Portsea 2b 267

The age is wrong but was Margaret really 50 when young William was born?
...as in 1851 census.

Gwyn

1841 England Census
about Margaret Fogwell
Name: Margaret Fogwell
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Female
Where born: Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Portsea Town
Hundred: Portsmouth Borough
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub registration district: Portsea Town
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Fogwell 10
Eliza Fogwell 5
Emma Fogwell 3
Margaret Fogwell 30
Rodger Fogwell 50
Rodger Fogwell 15
William Fogwell 3 Mo

The only one on the 1861 census:

1861 census transcription details for: 1, Union Street, Portsea, Portsmouth
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 636 Folio: 139 Page: 41

Reg. District: Portsea Island Sub District: 2 Portsea Town
Enum. District: ... Ecclesiastical District: Holy Trinity
Parish: Portsea City/Municipal Borough: Portsmouth
Address: 1, Union Street, Portsea, Portsmouth
County: Hampshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation,
Disability Where Born
HARM, Thomas Head Unmarried M 35 1826 Sawyer And...Maker
Portsea
Hampshire
FOGWILL, Margarett Servant Widow F 68 1793 House Keeper
Portsea
Hampshire

IGI St John Portsea 1820-1875, C063151:

Bapt 20 Dec 1838, Emma, d of Margaret and Roger Fogwell

Earliest bapt in those registers with father Roger is 1829; however, IGI does not have a marriage for Roger in the 1820s in Hampshire. Perhaps he was on his second marriage? Or second partner but not married?

But there is a marriage in Hampshire in 1819:

Roger Fogwell to Margaret Lee 25 Dec 1819 in Alverstoke (marr register IGI ref M073577)

[Edit - Alverstoke and Portsea are either side of a narrow sea channel at the mouth of the Portsmouth harbour access to the English Channel.]

In light of the comments regarding the variable age on the census and the age of having her children, it would be sensible to bear in mind that there may two different women named Margaret in this case.

Margaret in 1841 "aged 30" (so born between 1807 and 1811, if age known exactly and then rounded down to the nearest 5 years as requested) would not have married in 1819.

It might be worth trying to find out whether Thomas Hann could be a relation to Margaret's parents?

[Edit - an interesting submitted record on the IGI has Roger Fogwell b abt 1833 in Portsmouth, m Nancy Hann in 1854, and died 1904]