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John Currier Turner Shernife Crumpton

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Terence Report 11 Jan 2013 15:51

I beleive that JCTS Crumpton was my Gt, Gt, Gt, Gt, Gt, Grandfather, however, I have no idea why he used so many christian names and I cannot find any information about why he was so called.

When he married Eleanor Arnold on 13th April 1773, the Halesowen parish record reads as follows;
"John CURNER otherwise CRUMPTON otp, widr and Eleanor ARNOLD otp, spin"

As the record shows, John was a widower when he married in 1773, however, the only John Crumpton I can find in the Halesowen parish records who was married previously was a John Crumpton who was born in 1730 and married Mary Shackspeer on May 17 1751. They had five children before Mary died in 1770. She was buried 30th June 1770 in Halesowen.

John died in 1801 and was buried in Halesowen on March 25th 1801.
The Halesowen parish record reads as follows;


Unfortunately the parish record does not give his age when he died.

Does anyone have any further information on John Currier Turner Shernife Crumpton?


ErikaH Report 11 Jan 2013 17:05

I would imagine that he either used the names because his parents gave them to him, or he was the type who fell foul of the law and had to resort to using aliases.

Or, he was illegitimate...........


Kiwibird Report 13 Jan 2013 04:54

I do not know whether this will help but the name CURRIER is actually a profession
my 4,3 and 2x great Grandfather's and their siblings were all 'CURRIER'S a person who worked with animal hides and created leather for saddles, boots etc.

TURNER is also a profession- some one who works with a lathe.

So could be that these are his professions not his first names.

Karen in the desert

Karen in the desert Report 13 Jan 2013 09:42

It is not uncommon to find ancestors with several christian names.

The first name would usually conform to the traditional naming pattern (seldom used these days), for example:
1st son named after the father's father
2nd son after the mother's father

Subsequent christian names were often:
the mother's maiden name or one of the grandmother's maiden names (which can often be a very useful tool when searching further back through the family).
a favourite brother or uncle, especially if they are recently deceased.
a godparent.



Terence Report 13 Jan 2013 10:38

Thank you all for your suggestions and information. I can find no records for JCTS Crumpton having been christened with those names, only John Crumptons.
I will look into wills records and possible information on professions.
I suspect that the "Shernife" name could be a misspelling of "Sherrife". I don't know if Sherrife was a profession?

What I would really like to know is how old he was when he died in 1801.



MargaretM Report 13 Jan 2013 12:40

He's on trees on Rootsweb giving his parents as Jeremiah Crumpton & Elizabeth Loynes.


Terence Report 14 Jan 2013 13:27

Hi Margee,
Thanks for your input, any feedback is greatly appreciated.
I have seen the information about JCTS Crumpton on Rootsweb and also on Ancestry which gives his parents as Jeremiah and Elizabeth, however, I have serious doubts about this line of thought because the John Crumpton who married Eleanor Arnoold in 1773 was a widower, so if he was the son of Jeremiah he would have to have been married and widowed and remarried by the time he was 23 years old. I can find nothing in the parish records for a marriage for any John Crumpton between 1768 and 1772.
As shown above the only John Crumpton who was widowed at about that time was John Crumpton who married Mary Shackspeer in 1751.
If I could establish how old John was when he died in 1801 I would obviously then know when he was born.


Karen in the desert

Karen in the desert Report 14 Jan 2013 22:51

Since you know the area where he died, and the year, perhaps you could try searching for a Will, or some other documentation in the County Records Office.
You never know what they might have. In my experience the staff in CRO's are usually very helpful and knowledgable. :-)



Terence Report 15 Jan 2013 14:55

Hi Karen,
Thanks for your suggestion, I have looked on-line but cannot find anything about John CTS Crumpton having left a will. I'm not sure about how to go about contacting the CRO (probably Dudley or possibly Worcestershire) as I do not live anywhere near that area.


Karen in the desert

Karen in the desert Report 15 Jan 2013 22:54

Googling gave me this....

However, living near a Records Office or not, a visit to one can provide a great day out for any enthusiastic genealogist.

I don't live anywhere near my ancestors' areas, none of them, but have spent a couple of very pleasant and insightful long weekends visiting - a full day at the Records Office (I hadn't realised what treasure-troves they are) and another day or two exploring the area's villages, churches, churchyards, etc photographing everything I could to be able to gain an understanding of my ancestors' lives - where they walked, worked, lived, went to school, married, died and are buried.

It's what helps put flesh on the bones, so to speak, rather than just having a list of names and dates :-)



Terence Report 16 Jan 2013 09:44

Thanks Karen,
It sounds like I need to make the trip to Dudley, probably have to wait until spring/summer to visit. I will have another look online following your link above.

Thanks again,