Genealogy Chat

My father, Arthur William Parr 1895, lived in Argentina for a long time, roughly 1920 - 40 but, apart from playing a lot of polo and managing a plantation store, I have little idea what he did there. There are rumours of an affaire but how to find out? It seems that something he did was newsworthy enough to reach the British press. I wonder whether anyone here has access to UK newspaper listings from that period could see what they could find please?

Just wondering. could this be his admission to school






Name:
Arthur William Parr

Age:
3

Birth Date:
22 Aug 1895

School:
Haggerston Road School

Borough:
Hackney

Admission Date:
9 Jan 1899

Parent:
Thomas

Notes:
Haggerston Road School opened in 1879. Closed in 1933

Reference Number:
LCC/EO/DIV04/HAG/AD/004

Good heavens! Thank you Sylvia, where on earth did you find this? The age, birthday, and father look right and he was born and raised in the area. I had no idea kids were sent to school at 3? His father was, I believe, a horseman at a coaching inn, hardly someone to send his kids to school I would have thought!

Thanks again!

Keith

I know it was not what you asked for Keith, but I saw it as I was looking and just thought it would be interesting for you. Apart from that I have only found his travelling details to and from argentina. Nothing in newspapers as yet.

If you have travelling details FROM Argentina I'd be very interested to see them, might that be possible please? So far I've only found UK outbound sailings 1920, 1925, 1928, 1935, 1939, 1945.

And, if I can ask without outstaying my welcome , can you find any travel details for Edith Rose Chapman 1889, and / or Florence Weston 1894 to / from the Argentine? Edith was a very dear "aunt" but as far as I know was not related, by chance I discovered that Edith, her father, and my father were aboard the same boat bound for Buenos Aires in 1925, it would be interesting to know when she returned. There are suggestions that my father was romantically involved ;) with a Florence Weston, again by chance I found that she too went to Buenos Aires in 1930, again I wonder when she returned (I've no idea whether she is THE Florence Weston, or even whether the allegation was true, but it IS a coincidence!).

Searching at findmypast, all the voyages for Arthur that you found are there.

Searching for an Edith Chapman travelling with an Arthur Parr to Argentina, there is the voyage in 1925 to Buenos Aires that you have seen.

There is also a voyage for Edith Chapman, not accompanying Parr, in 1945. She was born abt 1895, but might have got younger (a nice round 50) as she aged. :-)

I don't subscribe for the details but someone here can probably check it for you.

There are two voyages for the name Florence Weston to Buenos Aires, 1930 for a Florence born abt 1894 and 1935 for a Florence born abt 1891. Not accompanied by a Parr, but the passenger details might tell something.

Going to hampstead:

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Florence Weston
Birth Date: abt 1894
Age: 40
Port of Departure: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Arrival Date: 10 Apr 1934
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Buenos Aires
[Montevideo] [Santos] [Rio de Janeiro]
Ship Name: Arlanza
Search Ship Database: View the 'Arlanza' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Royal Mail Lines Ltd
Official Number: 132021
Source Citation: Class: BT26; Piece: 1053; Item: 15.

From 112 Savernake Road London NW3

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Florence Weston
Gender: Female Age: 36 Birth Date: abt 1894
Departure Date: 31 Jan 1930
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Ship Name: Arlanza
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Arlanza' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Royal Mail Steam Packet Co
Official Number: 132021
Master: E Clarke

V
Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
about Florence Weston


found this Florence so far.

Name:
Florence Weston

Gender:
Female

Age:
36

Birth Date:
abt 1894

Departure Date:
31 Jan 1930

Port of Departure:
Southampton, England

Destination Port:
Buenos Aires, Argentina

Ship Name:
Arlanza

Search Ship Database:
Search the 'Arlanza' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Shipping Line:
Royal Mail Steam Packet Co

Official Number:
132021

Master:
E Clarke

Although 1930 not available on Ancestry

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 about Matilda Bailey
Name: Matilda Bailey
Year: 1931
County or Borough: Camden
Ward or Division/Constituency: St Pancras
Street Address: 112 Savernake Road

Electors were
Matilda Bailey
Lizzie Jane Farr
Elizabeth Large
Ernest Large

Lists, 1878-1960
about Florence Weston




Name:
Florence Weston

Birth Date:
abt 1894

Age:
40

Port of Departure:
Buenos Aires, Argentina
Arrival Date:
10 Apr 1934

Port of Arrival:
Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage:
Buenos Aires
[Montevideo]
[Santos]
[Rio de Janeiro]
Ship Name:
Arlanza

Search Ship Database:
View the 'Arlanza' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Shipping Line:
Royal Mail Lines Ltd

Official Number:
132021

And Arthur
r

Birth Date:
abt 1895

Age:
39
Port of Departure:
Buenos Aires, Argentina
Arrival Date:
10 Apr 1934
Port of Arrival:
Southampton, England

Ports of Voyage:
Buenos Aires
[Montevideo]
[Santos]
[Rio de Janeiro]

Ship Name:
Arlanza
Search Ship Database:
View the 'Arlanza' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line:
Royal Mail Lines Ltd
Official Number:
132021

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Frank Chapman
Birth Date: abt 1863 Age: 62
Port of Departure: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Arrival Date:13 Apr 1925 Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage:
La Plata
[Montevideo]
Ship Name: Highland Loch
Shipping Line: Nelson Line

(with Edith, going to 327, Victoria Dock Road. Laundryman)

1911
CHAPMAN, Frank Head Married M 49 1862 Laundry Proprietor Douton Hampshire
CHAPMAN, Edith Wife Married24 years F 41 1870 Assisting In The Business Tidal Basin Essex
CHAPMAN, Edith Rose Daughter Single F 22 1889 Custom House Essex
CHAPMAN, Frank Joseph George Son Single M 20 1891 Boy Clerk Custom House Essex
CHAPMAN, Doris Vera Daughter Single F 10 1901 School Custom House Essex
RG number: RG14
Piece: 9481
Reference: RG14PN9481 RG78PN508 RD188 SD4 ED11 SN24
Registration District: West Ham
Sub District: Canning Town
Enumeration District: 11
Parish: West Ham
Address: 327 Victoria Dock Road Custom House
County: Essex

Chris :)

Now isn't that interesting, Sylvia, thank you very much for making those searches. So that puts Arthur and Florence on the same boat BA -> UK in 1934. Coincidence? For the moment I think I'll work on the basis that they were together at this point and see what else I can dig up.

So the question is, what happened then? Looks as if Arthur went back to the Argentine a year later, 1935, without Florence.

Which returns also to the original question, how can I find out about things that happened on the Argentine?

JoonieCloonie - thanks for the additional sailing for Edith, I'd like to see the details if someone can find them please. I have her born in 1889.

I'm not sure of the connection with Matilda Bailey, Detective, is it maybe the similarity in sound of Lizzie Jane Farr?

Thanks Chris. 327 played an important role, sadly it's now disappeared under redevelopment. Frank had a thriving business doing the laundry for boats in the docks, but with the decline of the docks so went the business.

Thanks for the inbound sailing. And also for the census. I'm fairly sure I've seen the census before but I hadn't noted the (I assume) birthplace for Frank - Douton Hampshire - am I interpreting that correctly?

1891
BATES, Spencer Head Married M 66 1825 Laundry Man
East Croydon, Surrey
BATES, Eliza Wife Married F 64 1827 Laundress
Guernsey
CHAPMAN, Frank Boarder Married M 40 1851 Laundryman
Everton, Hampshire (Overton)
CHAPMAN, Edith Boarder Married F 40 1851 Laundress
West Ham, Essex
CHAPMAN, Edith R Boarder F 2 1889
West Ham, Essex
CHAPMAN, Henry J Boarder M 21 1870 Clerk
Rowlands Castle, Hampshire
GRICE, Eliza Servant Single F 18 1873 Domestic Servant
Shields, Nottinghamshire
Piece: 1317
Folio: 105
Page: 63
Registration District: West Ham
Civil Parish: West Ham
Municipal Borough: West Ham
Address: 26, Cundy Road, West Ham
County: Essex
(age nk 40 put in)

1901
CHAPMAN, Frank C O Head Married M 39 1862 Laundryman
N K, Hampshire
CHAPMAN, Edith Maria Wife Married F 31 1870
Plaistow, Essex
PASSFIELD, Ellen Servant Single F 25 1876 Domestic Servant
Poplar, London
Piece: 1579
Folio: 130
Page: 6
Registration District: West Ham
Civil Parish: West Ham
Municipal Borough:
Address: 327, Victoria Dock Road, West Ham
County: Essex

1881
TUCKER, Edward Thos Head Married M 39 1842 Dock Coy Raily Inspector
Brighton, Sussex
CHAPMAN, Frank Lodger Single M 19 1862 Bookg Clerk (Railway)
Overton, Hampshire
Piece: 1720
Folio: 47
Page: 17
Registration District: West Ham
Civil Parish: West Ham
Municipal Borough:
Address: 35, Vicarage Rd, West Ham
County: Essex

Chris :)


Deaths Jun 1927 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------
Chapman Frank C O 65 W. Ham 4a 202


Births Jun 1862 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
CHAPMAN Frank Clement Oxley Whitchurch 2c 173

Thanks for the sailing data patchem.

How can I find out more about the address given for Florence:

From 112 Savernake Road London NW3

in the late 20s / early 30s? No census, can you search electoral rolls by address? Any other thoughts?

I found a Florence Weston who married Leonard G SHERRETZ 1919, I'd like to see if this is the same person.

Ah, so it looks as if the "Douton" for Frank Chapman was mis-transcribed and should be Overton?

Thanks again, Chris, that census for the Bates family makes another link for me, Frank was staying with relations, now I just need to tease out what the relationship was ...

Re 112 Savernake Rd London NW3

The previous indexed entry on Ancestry for that address is for 1915 when only the males were enfranchised. The Electoral Roll might be there but with either the address not transcribed, or done so badly by a machine.

(just checked - 1930 is there, but there are over 1000 images to have to scroll through)
Ok – think I’ve found it, but the ER have the road named as Belmont St.
Of course, it could be that the Large family and M Bailey just happened to live in different road but at the same numbered house!

112 Belmont St, St Pancras
Ernest Large
James Large
Elizabeth Large
Matilda Bailey

I rather think that the house was let as rooms or as two or more households.

1933
Herbert Percy Kynaston
Rose Ada Kynaston
Frederick John Thompson
Dorothy May Thompson
Edwin John Tooley
Rosalie Gertrude Tooley

1934
Frederick John Thompson
Dorothy May Thompson
Eva May Emmett
Robert Johnson
Marjorie Sarah Johnson
Ellen Catherine Mills