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I have a problem you may be able to help me with

found my "Lee" family as Emmett in 1891 South Stoneham Hampshire
in a tent no places of birth for any - not camping with anyone else

James Emmett 41y
Harriet Emmett 31y
Louisa Emmett 16y mth Webb 29th Nov 1878 [1939 index 1879] Doddington Kent
father skewer and peg maker of Fairlight Sussex
Mark Emmett 9y mth Webb 5th March 1882 Boxley Kent father Cutler and Brazier
Jasper Emmett 5y mth Gatehouse 18th Sept. 1885 Beckley Sussex father Hawker
Thomas Emmett 3y
Cornelius Emmett 6mth mth Gatehouse 30th Sept. 1890 Piltdown Fletching Sussex
father Hawker

have birth certs for all under LEE except Thomas Lee his bp 30th April 1888 Stockbury Kent parents James and Harriet Lee - Tramps - no settled home

Am I looking at 2 different "wives"
did say on earlier message that Louisa used Smith surname on 3 birth certs. then Lee -- it looks as if Mark 24y was a Smith in 1911 with Rose [Ellen] Gatehouse 25y

I also have a birth cert for a James Emmett Lee born 3rd July 1854 Guestling
Sussex - single mum no father Emma Lee not found a Emma Lee

Mavis
:-) :-)

Hi,

I'd be really grateful if you could help me too - my family details are in the post above Jenny's - any info you can help with would be fab.

Thanks

Sadie

Hi Jenny ,yes I am still doing look ups ,will look over the weekend for you

Hi i dont know if you still doing look ups,I'm trying to find the parents of William Lee he married Caroline Julia Lamb in Kings Lynn approx 1920.I have searched the internet and cant find anything apart from they lived in a caravan on Bluebell Road,Norwich.I think i will have to order Marriage Certificate hoping that will tell me who his parents were.Thank you for any help you might beable to give me.Jenny

Hi Liz,

Are you able to help me.... My grandfather is of Romany heritage, B1905 to parents Llewellyn Jones and Mary Warner. I cannot find any records for my grandfather/great grand parents or extended family. I believe that they travelled around shropshire/Newtown area and finally settled in Builth Wells.

I'm trying to find my grandfather (william) birth and marriage records. He married my grandmother Esther Ann Price.

Any help would be appreciated as I'm really struggling to research on my own.

Many thanks,

Sadie

Dear Elizabeth, I posted this below a while back- did you manage to find anything?
I am researching 'Gardners', 'Hunts' and Delllaways in the Croydon Surrey area around 1895-1910. They moved around the surrey and kent area before settling in Croydon
I know many were registered in the census as Hawkers and Tin men and also some were born in tents on Mitcham common however I am unsure if there is a Romany link as opposed to being economic travellers.
Any help would be great
Kevin
Names: Alice Gardner 1901 /Noah Gardner B 1895 /George Gardner B 1861 /Louisa Hunt B 1866 / William Hunt B 1835/ George dellaway b 1873
all dates are approximate as I keep getting different dates.
Thanks

Hi , thanks for that , I have managed too find that out,my mum Violet had me late in life and never told me about her past she left Amesbury and moved too Bristol , I was told buy one of her sons I just met that her dad was Jack her mum was Elsie but this seems too much of a coincidence but I can't find anywhere were it says they had 2 daughters ,I was told they travaled fairgrounds before settling in Amesbury looking at Ayres and Hughs they look like quite large family's so probably only relatives would be distant cousins , I find all this fascinating but have hit a brick wall , and too be Honest was not that surprised when this information was given too me as I have very dark hair and eyes and they say I resemble a Romanian gypsy , not so much of a joke now . Is there any were else I can look for information too see if they had 2 daughters one of which is my mum , what's all this mean was my mum a gypsy too am I half gypsy ,is there any way I can find information on extended realitives,Just got my mums birth certifacate mothers name Hughs seems like they spelt Ayres Eyres in diffent ways just trying to track some distant relatives think that is going to be very hard , wondered what they did before they settled down . Thanks

Sorry, I should have added that there is a great possibility that James Smith lived on Manchester Road, Mossley during the war. Thanks.

Rachel

:-)for KIM
John Eyres,married aged 18,born 1897 to Elsie Georgina Hughes ,she was 19,born 1896..they married @ the register office,in the Parish of St Thomas ,Salisbury,Wiltshire,on the 18/8/1915,the witness were Charles Jarvis and Charles Packet.(ref vol 5A,page 543)
John's occupation is stated as a sheepskin dealer and Elsie as an hawkers.
John's father William is also a skin dealer and Elsie's father Fred is an hawkers.
The marriage is also included in the records belonging to the R&TFH Society...I have also found the marriage of Walter Eyres and Amy Hughes,of which both John and Elsie were witness' ..and from the following information it is fair to say that both John and Walter are brothers as is Elsie and Amy.....the marriage of Walter Eyres and Amy Hughes at the register office district of Amesbury,Wiltshire on 18/3/1916
Walter is aged 29,bachelor,dealer,son of Walter Eyres,Amy is 21,daughter of Frederick and an hawker :-
Liz x

Hello Elizabeth,

Not sure if you're doing look-ups still, no worries if not.

Trying to confirm something, really. But the details that I have are really sketchy, to the point that it might not even be worth looking up because the results will be endless.

My great Aunt claimed that my Mum's Dad was a Romany Gypsy, but that he lived next door to her during WW2. Of course, in my research, I found that Gypsy families tend to be really loyal. (there's a back story that I won't get into).

The name we were given was James Smith. And it was within the Mossley near Oldham. I guess what I really wanna know, is was there any Romany Gypsy within that area during WW2 going by that name or if Smiths in general are connected to a family in that area.

Any help that can be given, I'd be grateful. But of course, this is assuming that my Aunt did not lie.

Kind regards,
Rachel

Hi hope I am posting on right bit , my grand farther was Jack or John Ayres From London rd , Amesbury wilts this is were he settled he married some one called Elsie , I was told he was a fairground boxer but that's all I no have got something up on one sight says his name is John Ayres married Elsie Hughs around 1916 Amesbury I think this could be him even thou they say it was Jack they had 2 girls I believe one called Gertrude and my mum Violet that's all I know there is a Walter Ayres and a Amy Hughs in that area now I wonder if they are brothers , any help would be great thanks

Dave ,glad u found your kin,and thank you for saying thanks

Hi Liz,
Can't believe I've never thought of searching "South Shore Gypsy's" before, I had heard anectdotally that Rebecca's Boswell family were the only gypsy family allowed to live there so was good to see it in print. My Bunce's married Gray's, Smith's & Jones and other families that escape me at the moment.
Many thanks for taking the time to have a look it's much appreciated.
Regards,
David.

Dear Elizabeth,
I am researching 'Gardners', 'Hunts' and Delllaways in the Croydon Surrey area around 1895-1910.
I know many were registered in the census as Hawkers and Tin men and also some were born in tents on Mitcham common however I am unsure if there is a Romany link as opposed to being economic travellers.
Any help would be great
Kevin
Names: Alice Gardner/Noah Gardner/George Gardner/Louisa Hunt/William Hunt/George dellaway

David to take a look at the same picture that I have of Alma along with his kin in your search bar south shore gypsys
Over the next few days I will double check to see what else I have
Also on the web is a picture of Almas mother in her 90's
Liz

Hi Elizabeth,
Yes this is my Alma, Rebecca married Daniel Bunce Oldham 1905 and I suspect Sarah Bunce may be his aunt Sarah Ann, so far I have found 3 Bunce families in the area about the time of Rebecca's birth, 2 fathers named Charles (1 from Hungerford the other from Wareham) with daughter Sarah Ann. The third family I've only discovered in the past day who came from Ireland and not as yet looked at.
ancestry DNA test confirms Boswell link.
Would love a copy of Alma's photo.
Many thanks for doing look up, I have been in contact with people that researched Alma and had no idea he'd been in a relationship. My next step will be to get Alma's death certificate on the chance Rebecca registered it.
Regards,
David Bunce.

?? David if this is your Alma do you have a photograph of him as I have one on the database and am willing to copy for you

?? Hello David,
The only reference I have is Sarah Boswell,(mother of Alma)in the 1901 census,for Starrhill,Blackpool(South shore)where she turns up as head of the family a widow aged 96.she is there with ,children,and grandchildren,and her son Alma born 1857.
But then this Alma Boswell then in 1911 is at Horncliffe Rd,South Shore,Blackpool,where he his with the Batty family again there being no reference to a Sarah or Rebecca Bunce
Liz

Hi Elizabeth,
I'm looking for information on my paternal grandmother Rebecca Bunce born about 1886, father is Alma Boswell born about 1855, mother is Sarah or possibly Sarah Ann Bunce. Would like to find out where she was born and which Sarah is her mother. I don't believe Alma and Sarah ever married.
Regards,
David.

Marriage of Thomas Street and Hope Smith,January quarter 1865 @West Ham,Essex ,volume 4a page 31

Hope Smith born Hainult Forest c 1845
Thomas Street b 1841 Loughton,Essex,died October quarter 1897,West Ham,Essex ,volume 4a page 19
Parents of Thomas are Thomas Street and Rachel Bacon grandparents of Thomas b 1841 William Street and Mary Dye :-)