Genealogy Chat

:-D :-D Karen in the Desert
I have pm`d you with the data
Liz

Hi Kenneth
can you give me any details of the person that you are looking for
Liz

I would like to know if you have the Penfold name in the collection.

:-D :-D For Dee
this is all that I have-hope it helps-I do have some info on John and Ann`s children
John Bird b 5/3/1779 Snetterton,burial 3/5/1836 aged 57 by est 1779-gs 1471102 --married Ann Goold(that's the spelling) b 1785 died 1836 the marriage is recorded at Barnham,Suffolk 8/11/1806 index number MO1359-GS 950448 from Englands marriages 1538-1975
(what I have found is that the surname of Ann is often miss-spelled Goole/Goold/Gould/Gold
etc
Liz
p.s have a lot of info on the children,let me know if you want it
Liz

Hello Elizabeth,

A very kind offer from you :-) I'm sending you a PM...

Karen

Thanks Elizabeth
Can you give me the exact wording as to the results you have found and the source for my records. I have William and Elizabeth born C1753 but no details and you have them both dying age 30 in 1783 Snetterton. I cannot find evidence of the marriage which you give as 1772 - Where? If they both died in 1783, who brought their son John up (born in 1779)? He would have been 4 years old and this would explain why I cannot find any siblings.
Thanks

thanks Elizabeth.
I have gone through the 1911 US census as thoroughly as possible - with the name changes its no easy task! That's probably the only year that they 'may' show up. They could have been in Brazil by then or even in the UK. I can't find them in any entry to the UK passenger lists, but I believe that they are only for long journeys. If (as is possible) that my ancestors went to the continent first and entered through from France then they wouldn't show up anyway.

Hi
Gypsy
please do not lose heart am still looking for you
Liz

Thanks Elizabeth. I have seen this family, my Lazarovics didn't go to the US until 1907, so not them.

:-D :-DHi Dee
sorry this is all I have
William Bird born 1753 Norfolk died 1783 at Snetterton married Elizabeth Fomen in 1772 she died aged 30 in 1783
their son b 5/3/1779 at Snetterton Norfolk he died 1836 POSSIBLE MARRIAGE to ann Goole/Gould she was b 1785 -died 1836

Hi Pat
just for starters -not sure about these-however area and name are right
1900 US Census,Manahattan Borough of New York City
Morris Lazrovic,head of household,married born May 1864,aged 36 place of birth Romania,birth place of father-Romania,birth place of mother-Romania
Carrie Lazrovic,wife,born April 1871,aged 29 born Kansas,birth place of father Poland,birth place of mother -Germany
David Lazrovic ,son,aged 10 born Feb 1890,place of birth Missouri
and also
Annie Kingberry ,servant born July 1881 Austria birth place of parents Austria :-)

Hi Elizabeth. Wow, I could keep you VERY busy with this - I have a lot of Romany blood :-)
My 'English' side - im pretty much on top of, lots of Boswells and Finneys.
I have one branch of Romanian/Hungarian ancestors who keep me on my toes with the family history. They travelled extensively and I am trying to trace their journey in the US, Canada and then their entry to England. My g g grandfather had his biography written in the Journal of the Gypsy Lore society, this confirmed 'stories' that were passed down to the family. I know that the family travelled from Le Harve to Canada in late 1907. The story is that they then travelled through to the US and onto South America. Staying for some time in Brazil. They departed from Montevideo in Uruguay and came to England some time before the first world war. I have their passenger list to Canada and 'proof' of them in England and Ireland from the 1920's.
They were Ludari gypsies.
The family name was Lazarovic (obviously this was commonly mis-spelt).
Pierre (Peter) was born c1869 in Budapest
Jeca (Edith) Maiden name probably Stankovic) born c 1870 in Vienna?
Kosta (James) born 1895 unknown place of birth, possibly Austria.
Petra (Mary) born c 1900 again, place unknown.
Leatsa (Nellie) born c 1906 place unknown.
Stanko (Joseph) born 1907 in France (Villenavia is written on his English Natrualization certificate but I haven't been able to pin the exact place down)

I would be interested in any information that you have regarding this family. They changed their surname to sound more 'English'. From the 1920's it has been either Lozone, Lazone or Lee - Lazone. I have put their 'English' Christian names above.

I have been in contact with Matt Salo from the gypsy Lore society on and off for many years with regard to this family but they seem to have been very elusive.

Many thanks.
Pat

Hi Elizabeth. I have been researching my family for almost 12 years now and cannot seem to find info regarding my 3x gt grandfather. Would you be able to check your records to see if he or his parents are recorded in them? His name is John Bird C1779 believed to be Snetterton, Norfolk. His parents are listed in a family diary as William and Elizabeth Bird (both of Snetterton and born C1753). I cannot find any records of his baptism or his parents' marriage and this has been my brick wall for over 11 years! It would be incredible if you found them in the romany records. Probably unlikely, but another source to rule out. I hope you don't mind helping me. thank you. Dee

nudge for a excellent offer,shame to let it disappear in the threads.

:-) :-) and with regards to a marriage
Alfred Elijah Leonard Hill ,in the district of Birmingham Oct 1/4 of year 1932-spouse
Beaulah Edith V Norris-vol 69 pg 0734(the gentlemen knew about the name Beulah,but not about any other Christian names he passed this info on after he had received the marriage cert)
So maybe you have been looking under the name Edith (which I think that she preffered to use rather than Beaulah)
--whilst he had also heard the story of Alfred being a prize fighter in fair booths I have not been able to locate any proof.

:-) :-)Alfred Leonard Elijah Hill b 1-1/4 1890 ,Birmingham county of Warwickshire ,vol69 pg 253==death of Alfred (England and Wales deaths)b 1890-d 1967 Birmingham aged 77 in 4 1/4 1967,vol 9c pg45
1891 47 Franklin St Birmingham
Arthur William Hill ..h...m...39....1852..head engine fitter.....St George,London Midsx(RG12 2398)
Jane Hill..........w.....m.......37.....1854..................Warwickshire
Violet K Hill.............d.....s........17......1874..gold polisher/jewellery.....Warksh
Lillian Hill................d.....s.........14.....1877..gold ring maker............```````
Fanny Hill...............d.................7.......1884......scholar....................``````````
Arthur Wlm Hill.......s...............5.......1886.......```````......................```````
Alfred Lnd Elj Hill....s.........1........1890........................................``````````

:-) :-)Hi Meefy
I knew that I had come across the name Alfred Elijah somewhere,and after searching I found the information, it`s around 15 years old,and was not included in my data because I could find no connection with the romany`s the gentlemen that was looking for Alfreds family gave the following info at the time I checked it for proof and decided to keep it in a separate file-hope it helps-

I am researching what apparently was a gypsy family, but I could do with some help where possible. Sadly the information I have is rather limited, and it is quite recent.

The main person I am trying to find is Alfred Elijah Leonard Hill, but it seems he has used vary different combinations of the name. I known he had one daughter called Sylvia Elizabeth b1934 possibly with a woman called Edith. This was in the Winson Green area of Birmingham.

I am unaware of a birth year for him or anything else, other than the fact he took part in boxing matches, but sadly nothing else. I was wondering whether this was in your remit or not?

thank you so much Elizabeth.

:-)Hello Martynsue
Scotland were notorious for Not including the mothers surname on the baptism records-I think that the clue to your kin is Pettinairn,especially since the same marriage is entered again at Carstairs(this sometimes did happen with the families moving around)-
Lizx