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George Welfare b1819c Godstone

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Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 28 Apr 2018 09:03

Thankyou for looking

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 28 Apr 2018 03:51

TBH ...................

I doubt that you will be able to find out!

A flyman seems to have usually driven carriages that were for hire................. rather like taxis today.

Coachman Servant could imply that he was a servant for someone, but I went back 2 pages in that census, and he doesn't seem to be living in the mews belonging to a "big" house. So impossible to tell who he worked for.

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 27 Apr 2018 23:23

Would like to know if I can find out who he was a coachman to?...i doubt I can find out. Any ideas how would be very much appreciated
Thankyou

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 27 Apr 2018 22:50

Yes that is correct

malyon

malyon Report 27 Apr 2018 22:08

i found it now so he was married twice to caroline and then to esther

malyon

malyon Report 27 Apr 2018 22:01

where did you find the 1851 census i dont see it

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 27 Apr 2018 21:35

Yes that is him.

Any idea how I can find out who he was a coachman for?

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 27 Apr 2018 21:34

Apologies should be 1851 and 1861

malyon

malyon Report 27 Apr 2018 21:14

this could be his first marriage

George Welfare
England, Surrey Parish Registers, 1536-1992
Name: George Welfare
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Jan 1843
Event Place: Lambeth, Surrey, England, United Kingdom
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: Thomas Welfare
Spouse's Name: Caroline Somerset
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Father's Name: John Somerset

malyon

malyon Report 27 Apr 2018 21:10

their marraige

George Welfare
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: George Welfare
Spouse's Name: Esther Cross
Event Date: 13 May 1855
Event Place: Croydon, Surrey, England

malyon

malyon Report 27 Apr 2018 21:02

is this his death

Deaths Mar 1870 (>99%)
Welfare George 50 Wandsworth 1d 423

you say he is in the 1871 census

malyon

malyon Report 27 Apr 2018 20:59

says in 1871 census esther is a widow

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Esther Wellfare
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name: Esther Wellfare
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Event Place: Wandsworth, All Saints, London, Surrey, England
Enumeration District: 13
Gender: Female
Age: 52
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Parish Relief
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birth Year (Estimated): 1819
Birthplace: Spalding, Lincolnshire
Entry Number: 2
Affiliate Image Identifier: GBC/1871/0711/0052
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Esther Wellfare Head Female 52 Spalding, Lincolnshire
Charles Wellfare Son Male 19 Wandsworth, Surrey
Emily Wellfare Granddaughter Female 8 Wandsworth, Surrey

malyon

malyon Report 27 Apr 2018 20:54

he is not with his wife in 1881 census she is a widow

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 27 Apr 2018 20:35

Thank you for that link. Very helpful

Is there a way I could find out who he worked for?

safc

safc Report 27 Apr 2018 20:21

Fly Coachman / Flyman
Fly Proprietor/Master 1) Drove a "fly" a one horse two wheeled light carriage 2) Flyman also a term for a theatre stage hand 3) A Fly Proprietor/Master employed fly drivers for hire and usually owned the flys.


http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/index.html

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 27 Apr 2018 20:14

Just looking into my ancestor.

In 1861 census occupation is flyman
In 1871 census occupation is coachman servant

Would flyman be to do with a carriage?

Is there any way I could find out who he worked for?

Thank you