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Hi
I have the below record found on Scotlands people which shows the birth and baptism of my gt grandfather. Does anyone know where this church is/was was located.

WATSON THOMAS WILLIAM WATSON/ELIZABETH MACAY
3 OCTOBER 1844 20 OCTOBER 1844
IRVINE EAST ASSOCIATE

Fingers crossed

Angus

Have you tried googling for possible info?

What was the family's place of abode in 1851?

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Townhead Street, Irvine, Cunningham, Ayrshire, Scotland

William Watson Head Married Male 61 1790 Hand Loom Weaver Cotton Irvine, Ayrshire, Scotland
Elizabeth Watson Wife Married Female 51 1800 - Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
Marion Orr Watson Daughter Unmarried Female 11 1840 Scholar Irvine, Ayrshire, Scotland
Thomas Watson Son Unmarried Male 6 1845 Scholar Irvine, Ayrshire, Scotland

Probably not too far from the Church - a look at an old map might be useful

WATSON
MARION ORR
WILLIAM WATSON/ELIZABETH MACKIE
2 MARCH 1840
IRVINE EAST ASSOCIATE
AYR

Google
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/guides/church-registers

Irvine East Associate, Irvine - Trinity Associate, Irvine - United Presbyterian (CH3/1288) AYR

Scotlands People gives a list of parish records which have been made available, and shows aliases for the relevant churches, including Irvine East Associate:

ttps://tinyurl.com/y9ptf4pm
List of volumes released in June 2017
Further information about covering dates and administrative histories of particular parishes can be found by searching the National Records of Scotland catalogue.

Irvine East Associate, Irvine - Trinity Associate, Irvine - United Presbyterian (CH3/1288) AYR


But it's not this church, which was only opened in 1863:

https://irvinescotland.info/irvine_that_was/trinity-church/
http://www.irvinebay.co.uk/projects/trinity-church/
https://tinyurl.com/y9o27cjo



"Wilson (1857) records the parish church, two United Presbyterian churches, a Free church and Baptist and Catholic chapels."
https://maps.nls.uk/townplans/background/irvine.html

The birth record Erika posted for Marion is listed under "Other churches" on SP - not Church of Scotland or Roman Catholic Church.

The earliest birth/baptism at that church, at least as shown on SP, was in 1809, and the latest was in 1854, which is when statutory registration kicked in.

There are no records of banns / marriages/burials there.

This refers to a United Presbyterian church, Trinity, dating from 1810 - maybe that's it. Doesn't say where it was, though.

"The parish church, built in 1774, on a rising-ground in the Golf-fields, to the S of the foot of High Street, is an oblong edifice, with 1800 sittings and a beautiful spire, which figures conspicuously in a great extent of landscape. Fullarton Established church, built as a chapel of ease in 1836 at a cost of £2000, contains 900 sittings, and in 1874 was raised to quoad sacra status. Other places of worship are Irvine and Fullarton Free churches, both erected soon after the Disruption; two U.P. churches, Trinity (1810; 800 sittings) and Relief (1773; 856 sittings), a Baptist chapel (1839; 600 sittings), and St Mary's new Roman Catholic chapel school (1883; 400 sittings)."

http://www.scottish-places.info/parishes/parhistory896.html

Thank you all for your thoughts and information. I will go back to the old maps and see if I can find narrow it down.

Maybe these people could help ?? (North Ayrshire Local History dept.)

https://tinyurl.com/ybqcl9hy



Or North Ayrshire Family History Society:

http://northayrshirefhs.org.uk/contact%20us.html

Thanks Argyll Gran,
I have found the church on an old map.
From the information you provided I could eliminate all the churches except one which appears on a 1859 map as 'East U.P Church on Cotton Row, Irvine and shows the seating capacity as 1800.Sadley no longer there.
Interestingly a 1819 map appears to refers to the building as 'Burger meeting Hall'
Thanks Again
Angus.

https://irvineburnsclub.org/irvine/walkingtour.htm

Trinity Church

The Burgher Church was a Secession congregation meeting originally (from about 1809) in Cotton Row (now Ballot Road). Their first minister (Rev Alexander Campbell) presented Irvine Burns Club with the six original manuscripts which his wife had inherited from a previous husband.

In 1847, the Burgher Church became, like the Relief Church, a United Presbyterian Church. Under their second minister, the widely-known and widely-respected Rev William Bruce Robertson, the church moved into Trinity Church in 1863. The site had been gifted by a member of the established church. There was a procession of magistrates and councillors for the laying of the foundation stone.

Designed by T F Pilkington, it is cruciform in pattern, in Venetian Gothic style, with variegated clour in the stone, and ornate throughout. Its 170-foot spire was completed in 1869 and shortened in 1870 when found to be too heavy. In 1900, it became one of the four United Free churches in the town. It ended its days as a church in 1966.

Thanks again ArgyllGran,
Your last post seams to tie it all together.