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hello I have this family on a grave record in Maesteg cemetery ,but cannot find them on 1911 or 1901 census

William Jones died october 1925 age 36
William Jones died June 1926 age 64
Edward jones died July 1933 age 35
Annie E Jones died December 1941 age 74

they may not have all been to together in 1911

?? No censuses yet, but these are presumably their deaths:


Deaths Sep 1933 (>99%)
Jones Edward 36 Bridgend 11a 665

Deaths Dec 1941 (>99%)
Jones Annie E 74 Bridgend 11a 870

Deaths Dec 1925 (>99%)
Jones William E 36 Bridgend 11a 857

Deaths Jun 1926 (>99%)
Jones William 64 Bridgend 11a 856

Have you found them in earlier censuses?

Possibly William E's birth?

JONES, WILLIAM ERNEST mms DAVIES
GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 645

And Edward??

JONES, EDWARD REGINALD mms DAVIES
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 828

EDIT: NO, not that birth for Edward - that child born Llantrisant, with parents John and Sarah, per 1911 census.



Possibly Annie E's marriage?? But only if William who died 1926 wasn't her husband:

Marriages Jun 1882 (>99%)
DAVIES Annie Elizabeth Bridgend 11a 739
Jones John Bridgend 11a 739

For Annie's death, the page number is not within the expected range for the district

What connection do you have to these people? You must have a reason for seeking out the grave

Does the gravestone actually state that they are one family?

annie and william (the older one ) were the adoptive parents of my grandmother i have her wedding certificate

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
First Name Rose E
Last Name Jones
Gender Female
Year 1921
Spouse Evans
Image Quarter 3
Country Wales
County Glamorganshire
District Bridgend
District Number
Registry Number
Volume 11A
Page 1675
Line Number 147
Entry Number
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Collections from Great Britain, Wales

On the certificate Rose's father is William Jones

on 1911 census she is Rose Ester Davies with Mary Jane williams and Robert Willliams I don't know when she went to live with the Jones family .

I know my grandmother had a brother Tom ,but not sure if he was adopted or a blood brother . my grandmothers mother's maiden name was davies. I may be on
awkward ground here ,as there are other family members still alive. :-0

on the 1939 census Annie E Jones is living with the family including adopted daughter Rose in south parade maesteg, on a seperate entry . (today would be called a granny -flat )

Jones Annie E 74 Bridgend 11a 870 death record .not sure what you mean about it not being in range for the district

Read the note about it on freebmd.

It only means that ordering a copy cert might be problemmatical

Could it be that the boys were also not natural children, and therefore their names in earlier years were something other than the ones under which their deaths were registered?

For INFO


1939
Jones Household (1 Person)
6 South Parade , Maesteg U.D., Glamorganshire, Wales

Annie E Jones 13 Sep 1865 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 52 1

Do you know when Annie and William married?

Also where Annie was born

Rose's birth (illegitimate):

DAVIES, ROSE ESTHER -
GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 828


Is she the daughter of a relation of Annie - assuming the boy's births I posted earlier are correct?

For our reference:

Rose Ester Davies
in the 1911 Wales Census
Name: Rose Ester Davies
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Llantrisant
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 6 Brick Yard House Penycoedcae Nr Pontypridd
Registration district: Pontypridd
Registration District Number: 589
Sub-registration district: Llantrisant
ED, institution, or vessel: 05
Household schedule number: 97
Piece: 32297
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Williams 28
Mary Iane Williams 24
Rose Ester Davies 8


EDIT:

Not that it has anything to do with where the Jones family are in 1901 and 1911.

Illegitimate - as expected

DAVIES, ROSE ESTHER -
GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 828

Robert and Mary claim to have been married for 5 years, but I can't see any record on freebmd to match

So who was Rose's mother?

Mary Jane Williams was Davies so looks like she would be her mum

Mary Jane had sister Rose Esther 1880 married Ernest Reginald Harvey and died Oct 1902,maybe that's why she named her daughter Rose Esther.

Maryb.

To Confirm :i know that mary jane was Rose Esther's birth mother According to the 1911 census. she was married to robert williams, five years but I can't find a marriage certificate . erika has already posted this info