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friendlywelshdragon

friendlywelshdragon Report 4 Apr 2019 19:53

hello I have this family on a grave record in Maesteg cemetery ,but cannot find them on 1911 or 1901 census

William Jones died october 1925 age 36
William Jones died June 1926 age 64
Edward jones died July 1933 age 35
Annie E Jones died December 1941 age 74

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 4 Apr 2019 20:26

they may not have all been to together in 1911

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Apr 2019 20:27

?? No censuses yet, but these are presumably their deaths:


Deaths Sep 1933 (>99%)
Jones Edward 36 Bridgend 11a 665

Deaths Dec 1941 (>99%)
Jones Annie E 74 Bridgend 11a 870

Deaths Dec 1925 (>99%)
Jones William E 36 Bridgend 11a 857

Deaths Jun 1926 (>99%)
Jones William 64 Bridgend 11a 856

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Apr 2019 20:41

Have you found them in earlier censuses?

Possibly William E's birth?

JONES, WILLIAM ERNEST mms DAVIES
GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 645

And Edward??

JONES, EDWARD REGINALD mms DAVIES
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 828


Possibly Annie E's marriage?? But only if William who died 1926 wasn't her husband:

Marriages Jun 1882 (>99%)
DAVIES Annie Elizabeth Bridgend 11a 739
Jones John Bridgend 11a 739

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 4 Apr 2019 20:42

For Annie's death, the page number is not within the expected range for the district

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 4 Apr 2019 20:47

What connection do you have to these people? You must have a reason for seeking out the grave

Does the gravestone actually state that they are one family?

friendlywelshdragon

friendlywelshdragon Report 4 Apr 2019 21:18

annie and william (the older one ) were the adoptive parents of my grandmother i have her wedding certificate

friendlywelshdragon

friendlywelshdragon Report 4 Apr 2019 21:24

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
First Name Rose E
Last Name Jones
Gender Female
Year 1921
Spouse Evans
Image Quarter 3
Country Wales
County Glamorganshire
District Bridgend
District Number
Registry Number
Volume 11A
Page 1675
Line Number 147
Entry Number
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Collections from Great Britain, Wales

On the certificate Rose's father is William Jones

friendlywelshdragon

friendlywelshdragon Report 4 Apr 2019 21:29

on 1911 census she is Rose Ester Davies with Mary Jane williams and Robert Willliams I don't know when she went to live with the Jones family .

friendlywelshdragon

friendlywelshdragon Report 4 Apr 2019 21:43

I know my grandmother had a brother Tom ,but not sure if he was adopted or a blood brother . my grandmothers mother's maiden name was davies. I may be on
awkward ground here ,as there are other family members still alive. :-0

friendlywelshdragon

friendlywelshdragon Report 4 Apr 2019 21:58

on the 1939 census Annie E Jones is living with the family including adopted daughter Rose in south parade maesteg, on a seperate entry . (today would be called a granny -flat )

friendlywelshdragon

friendlywelshdragon Report 4 Apr 2019 23:59

Jones Annie E 74 Bridgend 11a 870 death record .not sure what you mean about it not being in range for the district

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 5 Apr 2019 08:47

Read the note about it on freebmd.

It only means that ordering a copy cert might be problemmatical

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 5 Apr 2019 10:25

Could it be that the boys were also not natural children, and therefore their names in earlier years were something other than the ones under which their deaths were registered?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 5 Apr 2019 10:26

For INFO


1939
Jones Household (1 Person)
6 South Parade , Maesteg U.D., Glamorganshire, Wales

Annie E Jones 13 Sep 1865 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 52 1

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 5 Apr 2019 10:28

Do you know when Annie and William married?

Also where Annie was born

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 5 Apr 2019 11:26

Rose's birth:

DAVIES, ROSE ESTHER -
GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 828


Is she the daughter of a relation of Annie - assuming the boy's births I posted earlier are correct?

For our reference:

Rose Ester Davies
in the 1911 Wales Census
Name: Rose Ester Davies
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Llantrisant
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 6 Brick Yard House Penycoedcae Nr Pontypridd
Registration district: Pontypridd
Registration District Number: 589
Sub-registration district: Llantrisant
ED, institution, or vessel: 05
Household schedule number: 97
Piece: 32297
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Williams 28
Mary Iane Williams 24
Rose Ester Davies 8


EDIT:

Not that it has anything to do with where the Jones family are in 1901 and 1911.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 5 Apr 2019 13:22

Illegitimate - as expected

DAVIES, ROSE ESTHER -
GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 828

Robert and Mary claim to have been married for 5 years, but I can't see any record on freebmd to match

So who was Rose's mother?

Mary

Mary Report 5 Apr 2019 13:37

Mary Jane Williams was Davies so looks like she would be her mum

Mary Jane had sister Rose Esther 1880 married Ernest Reginald Harvey and died Oct 1902,maybe that's why she named her daughter Rose Esther.

Maryb.

friendlywelshdragon

friendlywelshdragon Report 5 Apr 2019 14:57

To Confirm :i know that mary jane was Rose Esther's birth mother According to the 1911 census. she was married to robert williams, five years but I can't find a marriage certificate . erika has already posted this info