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The Ancestry trees also say that Norman was aka Bond - just to complicate things even more!

They claim that his father was a travelling showman named Richard Page, and his mother was unknown.
Richard Page apparently was working in Bridgend on 13/10/1905 - proof presumably is info on the marriage cert to Mary Jane, though the trees don't say so.

For Richard Page, whom they claim was born c1860, they show Scottish censuses for 1851 - 71 - but for a William Page born 1848.
So hardly trustworthy.

They (at least one of them) show young Richard Charles as the son of both Mary Jane and Florence!

They say that Norman was born 1881, and show the travel record as proof - but that clearly shows his age as 28 in 1914.

The Norman who married a Mary Jane in 1905 was a coalminer - so unlikely to be the clerk in 1914?

ordering a couple of certificates . will see if that gets anywhere.

William Jones and Annie Davies married in December 1888

This one?

Marriages Dec 1888 (>99%)
DAVIES Anne Leominster 6a 1087
Jones William Leominster 6a 1087

A long way from Maesteg, and no middle initial for Annie/Anne.

But not necessarily saying it's wrong - needs more investigation.
Is that one of the certs you've sent for?

Had a Birth Certificate for Mary Jane Davies 1888 Bridgend Father John Davies Mother Elizabeth Davies Maiden Name Davies :-S
I don't think the marriage certificates would be much more help as I still wouldn't know which one was right.Maesteg is a fair distance from Leominster ,but my mother's grandfather grew up in Bridgend married in DEVON :-0 then lived in Maesteg (. His wife's family originally came from Devon.)

Can't find Annie and William Jones in1891 :-|

Still stuck on this . Where should I look now . :-S

Unfortunately the lack of recent replies shows that we are just as stuck as you are!

Update : When I posted this question two years ago I gave Annies Maiden name as Davies . Been doing more research and have found records and mariage cerificate that show her maiden name was Jenkins , Father Daniel Jenkins .
Apologies for leading anyone up the wrong tree. .The Davies records are correct for my family ,but still don't know if Annie was a relation of theirs .

So WHO are you actually researching?
And what is the DATE of the marriage, and its LOCATION, and HOW OLD were the bride and groom

This birth would fit the DOB stated in 1939 (1939 posted on page 1 ):

JENKINS, ANNIE ELIZABETH mmn WELLS
GRO Reference: 1865 D Quarter in PONTYPOOL Volume 11A Page 125


However, this looks like that child's death:

Annie E Jenkins
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Annie E Jenkins
Age: 0
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Death Registration Place: Pontypool, Monmouthshire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Mar 1866
Inferred Death Place: Monmouthshire, United Kingdom
Volume: 11a
Page: 106

to add to ErikaH's questions about the marriage cert -

what was Daniel's occupation?

??? Just a suggestion:

Marriages Jun 1889 (>99%)
Jenkins Annie Elizabeth Merthyr T. 11a 881
Jones William Merthyr T. 11a 881

The only Annie Jenkins with right birth year and father Daniel in 1871 is in Oystermouth, Gower

That Daniel is mistranscribed as Camiel in 1871 on Ancestry .


Annie Jenkins
in the 1871 Wales Census
Name: Annie Jenkins
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Camiel Jenkins
Mother's Name: Ann Jenkins
Gender: Female
Where born: Mumbles, Glamorganshire, Wales
Civil parish: Oystermouth
Town: Mumbles
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Gower
Sub-registration district: Gower Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 4e
Household schedule number: 186
Piece: 5460
Folio: 69
Page number: 37
Household Members Age Relationship
Camiel Jenkins 60 Head - quarryman
Ann Jenkins 54 Wife
David Jenkins 24 Son
Elizabeth Jenkins 18 Daughter
John Jenkins 14 Son
George Jenkins 13 Son
Annie Jenkins 5 Daughter



Daniel Jenkins
in the Glamorganshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1570-1994
Name: Daniel Jenkins
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Bachelor (Single (Male))
Marriage Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: 1817
Marriage Date: 19 Aug 1838
Marriage Place: Oystermouth, Glamorganshire, Wales
Residence Place: Mumbles
Occupation: Labourer
Father: David Jenkins Jenkins
Spouse: Ann Hoskins
First Witness: Eliza Rogers
Second Witness: Wm Jenkin
Method of Marriage: Banns


JENKINS, GEORGE mmn HOSKIN
GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in SWANSEA Volume 11A Page 565

JENKINS, JOHN mmn HOSKIN
GRO Reference: 1856 D Quarter in SWANSEA UNION Volume 11A Page 485

JENKINS, ELIZABETH mmn HOSKIN
GRO Reference: 1852 M Quarter in SWANSEA UNION Volume 11A Page 410

I don't see Annie's birth .


She's not with her widowed mother in 1881:

Ann Jenkins
in the 1881 Wales Census
Name: Ann Jenkins
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where Born: Landamore, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Oystermouth
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 16 Castleton Cottages
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Registration District: Swansea
Sub registration district: Gower Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors:
Piece: 5367
Folio: 38
Page Number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Jenkins 66
Emily Jenkins 27
John Jenkins 24
George Jenkins 22
Daniel Jenkins 42 - nephew

But it's all guesswork until we know the details from the marriage cert.

The marriage was 25th May 1889 in Mertyr Tidfil register office .
William Jones age 23 married Annie ElizabethJenkins age 19
He was an Engine Driver His father was Thomas Jones Farm Labourer.
Annue 's Father was Daniel Jenkins deceased Coal Miner

My Grandmother Rose Esther Davies and her brother Tom were brought up by William and Annie Jones .No official adoptions at that time .My Grandmother was born in 1903 I haven't been able to trace a birth record for Tom . !939 register says he was born in 1912 On her wedding certificate my grndmother gave her name as Jones but her birth name was Davies (unmarried mother ) Her birth mother was Mary Jane Davies
This is the Davies Family in 1891
Number 8 Temple Street Maesteg
Charles Davies Head Married Male 61 1830 Coal miner London, Middlesex, England
Johanna Davies Wife Married Female 55 1836 - Glamorganshire, Wales
Charles D Davies Son - Male 12 1879 Scholar Maesteg, Glamorganshire, Wales
Rose E Davies Daughter - Female 10 1881 Scholar Maesteg, Glamorganshire, Wales
Janet A Davies Daughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar Maesteg, Glamorganshire, Wales
Margaret E Davies Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar Maesteg, Glamorganshire, Wales
Mary J Davies Daughter - Female 4 1887 Scholar Maesteg, Glamorganshire, Wales
William Davies Son - Male 2 1889 - Maesteg, Glamorganshire, Wales
My grandmother is listed with her birth mother on the 1911 census in Merthyr Tydfil 8years old with Mary Jane (now Williams )and her husband Robert Williams although they actually married in 1915 . She is listed there as Rose Esther Davies (mothers maiden name ) BUT she is also on a census in 1911 in Nantyffyllon Maesteg with the Jones's listed as Rosie Jones .

I have been trying to trace if Annie Jones was related to the Davies family .I originally thought her maiden name was Davies but have now found that she was Jenkins .

You say the marriage was in 1899.

Do you mean the 1889 marriage which I posted on 4 Dec at 12:27 ?

The two 1911 records for reference ( the first one posted on page 1, but copied again for ease ) -

Rose Ester Davies
in the 1911 Wales Census
Name: Rose Ester Davies
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Llantrisant
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 6 Brick Yard House Penycoedcae Nr Pontypridd
Registration district: Pontypridd
Registration District Number: 589
Sub-registration district: Llantrisant
ED, institution, or vessel: 05
Household schedule number: 97
Piece: 32297
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Williams 28
Mary Iane Williams 24
Rose Ester Davies 8


Rosie Jones
in the 1911 Wales Census
Name: Rosie Jones
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Higher Llangynwyd
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 32 Kings Terrace Nantyflwn Nr Maesteg
Marital status: Single
Registration District: Bridgend
Registration District Number: 591
Sub-registration District: Maesteg
ED, institution, or vessel: 05
Household Schedule Number: 381
Piece: 32530
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jones 40
Annie Jones 30
William Jones 21
Rosie Jones 8