Genealogy Chat

That's true but the Chasteauneuf family seem to have been quite established in Woolwich so it may have brought some money into the family. I can't find a second marriage for Theresa or indeed any marriage at all for Elizabeth. Winifred May's birth was registered in September qtr of 1898. I wonder if Elizabeth had entered the Workhouse in July 1898 because she was pregnant.

The daughter Irene in 1911:

Irene Chasteauneuf
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Irene Chasteauneuf
Age in 1911: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1907
Relation to Head: Nurse Child (Nurse)
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Plumstead, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Plumstead
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 43 Park Rd, Plumstead, Kent S E
Registration district: Woolwich
Registration District Number: 30
Sub-registration district: Plumstead West
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 2899
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Cox 63
Irene Chasteauneuf 4

Theresa later remarried:

Marriages Dec 1912 (>99%)
Barton George Chasteauneuf Ticehurst 2b 248
CHASTEAUNEUF Theresa A Barton Ticehurst 2b 248


Birth of a daughter from the first brief marriage:

CHASTEAUNEUF, IRENE MARGARET mms BURNSIDE
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1257

Theresa Ann is Thirza in one of the censuses.

???

Theresa Anne Burnside
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Theresa Anne Burnside
Registration Year: 1902
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Woolwich
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 2243
Records on Page:
Name
Theresa Anne Burnside
Herbert W Chasteauneuf



Sadly the marriage didn't last long:

Herbert W Chasteauneuf
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Herbert W Chasteauneuf
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Registration Year: 1906
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 33
Registration district: Woolwich
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 703


Herbert William Chasteauneuf
in the Web: UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014
Name: Herbert William Chasteauneuf
Register Type: Burial
Death Date: 1 Dec 1906
Burial or Cremation Date: 6 Dec 1906
Burial or Cremation Place: Greenwich, London, England

Her stay in the infirmary would fit this birth, which I think has been posted before:

BURNSIDE, WINIFRED MAY -
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1308

Wow that's not great. Is there any mention of her youngest sister Theresa Ann (born Woolwich 1878) or her mother Margaret Burnside (born Ireland 1840)

It's not an army record, Ian.
It's a workhouse discharge record.

Here's her admission record:

Elizth Burnside
in the London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1930
Name: Elizth Burnside
Admission Age: 25
Record Type: Admission
Birth Date: 1873
Admission Date: 7 Jul 1898
Admission Place: Greenwich, Woolwich, London, England

She was discharged at her own request. It doesn't say she was in the infirmary, but as she was only there for one day, that may be the case.

I think this is her:

Elizabeth Burnside
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Burnside
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation to Head: Froner [Ironer]
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ireland
Civil Parish: Kidbrooke
Ecclesiastical parish: St James Kidbrooke
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Charlton
ED, institution, or vessel: Brook Hospital

I think her occupation says "Collar ironer, hospital" - though "collar" has been scored out.

She's single.

Elizabeth Burnside was certainly born in 1873 when John was stationed just outside Dublin but this is strange. I wonder if she worked for the army is some capacity. We do know she was employed as an hospital ironer alongside her sister Theresa during the 1901 census. I wonder if the army employed her as a nurse or auxillary.

Lucy Flannery was certainly born c1805 if we are to accept the 1871 census. After that she disappears..

Name: Elizth Burnside
Discharge Age: 25
Record Type: Discharge
Birth Date: abt 1873
Discharge Date: 8 Jul 1898
Discharge Place: Greenwich, Woolwich, London, England

Can't access irishgenealogy.ie today - keep getting a security warning.

Don't know if relevant -

Lucy Flannery was born c1805 in Ireland, per the 1871 census, and Margaret Ryan was born in Co Tipperary.

Lucy Ryan
in the Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958
Name: Lucy Ryan
Estimated birth year: abt 1805
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1892
Death Age: 87
Registration district: Tipperary
Volume: 3
Page: 467
FHL Film Number: 101597

Name: Elizabeth Burnside
Event: Baptism
Birth Date: 11 Apr 1873
Baptism Date: 4 May 1873
Baptism Place: Dublin
Father: John Burnside
Mother: Margaret Burnside

Her mother could have re-married.

Although.............is this her death?

Name: Lucy Ryan
Estimated birth year: abt 1805
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1892
Death Age: 87
Registration district: Tipperary
Volume: 3
Page: 467
FHL Film Number: 101597

Perhaps Flannery was her maiden name?

Just tossing ideas around..................

According to 1871 census John was born in Ireland c1819 - age 52.

But looking at the image, it could well be 32, which would certainly be a lot nearer Margaret's age.

That would make his birth c1839, so this would be his death:

Deaths Jun 1878 (>99%)
BURNSIDE John 40 Woolwich 1d 623

Margaret was a widow in 1881 census.

ADDED:
In fact, there is a note added to the Regimental record of son John (Angus)'s birth, to say "Gr Burnside died at Woolwich 24/4/78."

Occupation of the the Portsmouth Forts

Fort Elson
1869 March Detachment 21st Brigade Royal Artillery

https://victorianforts.co.uk/rga.htm


John & Margaret's daughter Mary Ellen was born on Portsea Island 1868 - see other thread.

Thanks for info off ancestry. The witnesses are interesting. I wonder who W.Burnside is? Could he have a brother in the army perhaps? . I don't know of any link with a Murray.

I don't see any military record for him on Ancestry.

Thanks to everyone for all your help. I will certainly try Jersey. Does anyone have access to army records?

Image on Ancestry gives no further useful info:


Gunner John Burnside
in the UK, British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960
Name: Gunner John Burnside
Event: Marriage
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 14 Apr 1866
Marriage Place: Jersey
Spouse: Margaret Ryan


Bachelor and spinster.
Witnesses: W Burnside and (M ?) Murray.

That's the Regimental Registry of Marriages, not an actual marriage cert.

21st Brigade Royal Regiment of Artillery.