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Enemy Aliens in WW1

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Susan

Susan Report 7 Apr 2021 18:40

I have an ancestor named George Shulzendorff (or Schelzendorff) who was interned as an enemy Alien by the British during WW1 (he was born in Germany) he married a British woman (I think, altho' I can find no marriage record) and they had 4 known children, they lived in Bethnal Green where he was a hospital porter, but I want to find out if he and his family were forcibly repatriated to Germany after the war ended, can anyone tell me please how to go about it? I have checked various Migration sites but can find no record of him or his family under any spelling (and there are several variants) any ideas please?
Thanks, Sue

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 7 Apr 2021 18:56

Is this George & Jane?

If you follow the trail of the children you might find if the father was still around or if they anglized their surname.

Edit. If it is them then George died in 1919 and Jane in 1920.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 Apr 2021 19:16


1911 census
Name: George Schulzendorff
Age in 1911: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Germany
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Search Photos: Search for 'Bethnal Green' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Country: England
Street Address: 25 Camden St, Bethnal Green
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 30
Estimated Marriage Year: 1881
Occupation: House Porter B G J Infrimary
Registration District Number: 17
Sub-registration District: Bethnal Green South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Piece: 1419
Household Members:
Name Age
George Schulzendorff 54
Jane Schulzendorff 34
William Schulzendorff 18
Ellen Schulzendorff 16
Katie Schulzendorff 13

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 Apr 2021 19:18

Was he actually born in Germany ?


George Henry Schulzandey
[George Henry Schulzendorf]
[George Henry Schulzendorf]
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 2 Mar 1864
Baptism Place: England, Bethnal Green St Simon Zelotes, Tower Hamlets
Father:
Ludwig Schulzandey
Mother:
Henriette Schulzandey
Register Type: Parish Registers

Edit this is one of his brothers :-)

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 Apr 2021 19:21

George Schulzendorff
in the London, England, Selected Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records, 1698-1930
Name: George Schulzendorff
Residence Age: 43
Birth Date: abt 1856
Event Type: Examinations
Residence Date: 5 Jan 1899
Residence Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green
Residence: Bethnal Green, London, England
Reference Number: BEBG/267/052

With Jane aged 40;
Mary 10
William 6
Ellen 4
Kate 10 months

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 Apr 2021 19:24

George Schulzendorff
Death Age: 64
Birth Date: abt 1855
Registration Date: Oct 1919
[Nov 1919]
[Dec 1919]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Bethnal Green
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 167


Jane Schulzendorff
Death Age: 63
Birth Date: abt 1857
Registration Date: Jul 1920
[Aug 1920]
[Sep 1920]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Bethnal Green
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 99

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 Apr 2021 20:05

Is this one of the children

SCHULZENDORFF, AMELIA MATILDA WENSLEY
GRO Reference: 1897 J Quarter in ST GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 367


And another

SCHULZENDORFF, BERTIE WENSLEY
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in ST. GEORGE-IN-THE-EAST Volume 01C Page 371
SCHULZENDORFF, ALFRED EDWARD WENSLEY
GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in ST GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 341


Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 Apr 2021 20:16

1871 census

George Schulzendorg
[Schulzendorff]
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: 1856
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Preußen
Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Simon Zelotes
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 135
Piece: 485
Folio: 88
Page number: 25
Household Members Age Relationship
Earl Schulzendorg
46 Head occ boot and shoemaker
Henrigatte Schulzendorg
41 Wife
George Schulzendorg 15 Son
Ludwig Schulzendorg
11 Son
George Henry Schulzendorg
8 Son
Hermann Schulzendorg
6 Son
Theodore O Schulzendorg
4 Son
Oskar Schulzendorg
9/12 Son
Leonard Schlissel
65 Lodger

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 Apr 2021 20:21

One of the brothers births

SCHULZENDORF, THEODORE OTTO WEGENER
GRO Reference: 1868 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 285

And
SCHULZENDOEF, OSKAR LEONHARD WAGENER
GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 243

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 Apr 2021 20:27

1891 census

Ludwig Shubzendorf
[Ludwig Schulzendorf]
[Ludwig Shulzendorf]
[User-submitted-comment]
Gender: Male
Age: 66
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1825
Spouse: Henrietta Shubzendorf
Child: Amelia Shubzendorf
Birth Place: Preußen
[Prussia]
Civil Parish: St George in the East
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Residence Place: St Matthew, St George in the East, London, England
Registration District: St George In The East
Sub registration district: St George North
ED, Institution or Vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 284
Folio: 82
Household Members:
Name Age
Ludwig Shubzendorf 66
Henrietta Shubzendorf 60
Amelia Shubzendorf 18

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 Apr 2021 20:29

Fathers death

Ludwig Schultyendorff
[Ludwig Schulzendorff]
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Registration Year: 1899
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 75
Registration District: Whitechapel
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 203


Augusta Henrietta Schuleendorff
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Registration Year: 1905
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 74
Registration District: Edmonton
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 264

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Apr 2021 20:57

Jane Schulzendorff
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Jane Schulzendorff
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: George Schulzendorff
Birth Place: Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration District: Bethnal Green, East
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
Neighbors:
Piece: 293
Folio: 189
Page Number: 90
Household Schedule Number: 596
Household Members:
Name Age
George Schulzendorff 45
Jane Schulzendorff 44
William Schulzendorff 9
Ellen Schulzendorff 6
Kate Schulzendorff 3
Louise Schulzendorff 2 months


Jane Shubzendorf
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Jane Shubzendorf
[Jane Shulzendorf]
Gender: Female
Age: 34
Relationship: Wife
Birth Year: 1857
Spouse: Gustave Shubzendorf
Child: Rose Shubzendorf
Mary Shubzendorf
Birth Place: Henley, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: St George in the East
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Residence Place: St Matthew, St George in the East, London, England
Registration District: St George In The East
Sub registration district: St George North
ED, Institution or Vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Piece: 284
Folio: 82
Household Members:
Name Age
Gustave Shubzendorf 35 - Prussia, bootmaker
Jane Shubzendorf 34
Rose Shubzendorf 9
Mary Shubzendorf 2


1891 - they're at the same address as Ludwig and Henrietta in the 1891 posted above by Shirley, but shown as a separate family.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Apr 2021 21:01

A previous wife:

Gustav A Schulzendorff
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Gustav A Schulzendorff
Registration Year: 1880
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: St George in the East
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 643
Records on Page:
Name
Alice Sarah Overbury
Gustav A Schulzendorff


Gustav Ardolf Schulzendorff
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Gustav Ardolf Schulzendorff (bootmaker)
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 30 Mar 1880
Marriage Place: St George in the East, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: Ludwig Schulzendorff ( bootmaker)
Spouse: Alice Sarah Overbury
Register Type: Parish Register



Alice Schulzendorff
in the London, England, City of London and Tower Hamlets Cemetery Registers, 1841-1966
Name: Alice Schulzendorff
Age: 30
Birth Date: abt 1854
Burial Date: 4 Dec 1884
Burial Place: London, England
Reference Number: CTHC/01/054


Alice Schulzendorff
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Alice Schulzendorff
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Gustave Schulzendorff
Gender: Female
Where born: Redditch, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Limehouse
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 32 Aston Street
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Pianoforte Teacher
Registration District: Stepney
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Piece: 466
Folio: 66
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Gustave Schulzendorff 25 - boot & shoe maker, Zehden, Prussia
Alice Schulzendorff 29

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Apr 2021 21:15

SCHULZENDORFF, LOUISA ALICE mmn OVERBURY
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 239


SCHULZENDORFF, MARY MAUD mmn OVERBURY
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 391


SCHULZENDORFF, WILLIAM FREDERICK mmn OVERBURG
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in ST. GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 365



So this is Jane, born in Henley per censuses:

OVERBURY, JANE MATILDA mmn KINCH
GRO Reference: 1857 M Quarter in STRATFORD ON AVON Volume 06D Page 503

Sister of first wife Alice.

OVERBURY, ALICE SARAH mmn KINCH
GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in BROMSGROVE Volume 18 Page 239



Jane M Overbury
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Jane M Overbury
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert Overbury
Mother's Name: Matilda A Overbury
Gender: Female
Where born: Henley in Arden, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Wootton Wawen
Town: Henley in Arden
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image
Registration District: Stratford On Avon
Sub-registration District: Wootton Wawen
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 43
Piece: 2232
Folio: 92
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Overbury 42
Matilda A Overbury 34
Alice S Overbury 9 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mary E Overbury 7
Earnest C Overbury 5
Jane M Overbury 4 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Edward R Overbury 2
Sarah A Rench 38
Elizabeth Harris 23
Eliza Harris 17
John Lowe 17

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Apr 2021 21:52

Rose in the 1891 census:

SCHULZENDORFF, ROSE EMELIA mmn OVERBURY
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 01C Page 495


Can't see births of Ellen and Kate.



Another child:

SCHULZENDORFF, GUSTAVE mmn OVERBURY
GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 282

and his death:

Deaths Mar 1888 (>99%)
SCHULZENDORFF Gustave 0 Bethnal Green 1c 232


Susan

Susan Report 8 Apr 2021 07:55

A huge thank you to everyone for your help
Sue

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Apr 2021 11:20

However, going back to your question about repatriation -

George/Gustav and Jane died shortly after the war, as shown earlier.

But you also asked about the family.

I don't see the son William after 1911.

Kate appears to have married Harry Powell in 1920:

Kate Schulzendorff
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Kate Schulzendorff
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Spouse: Harry Powell
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 71


I assume this is the same marriage - no image to view on Ancestry:

Kate Schoeff
in the Essex, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1935
Name: Kate Schoeff
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 23
Birth Date: abt 1897
Marriage Place: East Ham, St. Bartholomew, Essex, England
Marriage Date: 2 Aug 1920
Father: George Schoeff
Spouse: Harry Powell


I don't see her after that.


This is NOT her probate below.
This woman lived in Briar Avenue, Croydon (SW16), and was born in 1881.

Katie Powell
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name: Katie Powell
Death Date: 10 Dec 1972
Death Place: London
Probate Date: 27 Feb 1973
Probate Registry: London


Deaths Dec 1972 (>99%)
Powell Katie 7Jy1881 Croydon 5a 2258




I don't see the sister Ellen after 1911.


Rose married in 1920:

Rose A Schulzendorff
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Rose A Schulzendorff
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Bethnal Green
Inferred County: London
Spouse: Walter Shaw
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 305


However, she and Walter were living as man and wife in 1911 - at the same address as George & Jane:

Rosie Shaw
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Rosie Shaw
Age in 1911: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Country: England
Street Address: 25 Camden Street, Bethnal Green <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 7
Estimated Marriage Year: 1904
Registration District Number: 17
Sub-registration District: Bethnal Green South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Piece: 1419
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Shaw 40
Rosie Shaw 30
Ted Shaw 23 - brother


Possibly Walter and Rose in 1939:

Rose Shaw
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Rose Shaw
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 7 Jan 1882
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 63, Old Ford Road
Residence Place: Bethnal Green, London, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 24
Schedule Number: 169
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: ADBA
Borough: Bethnal Green
Registration district: 17-1
Inferred Spouse:
Walter E Shaw
Household Members Age
Walter E Shaw 69
Rose Shaw 57


Walter's death??

Walter E Shaw
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Walter E Shaw
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: abt 1869
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Bethnal Green
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5c
Page: 149

And possibly Rose's ?

Rose Shaw
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Rose Shaw
Death Age: 86
Birth Date: abt 1882
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Stepney
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5e
Page: 152

They don't seem to have had any children.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Apr 2021 12:14

Walter had been married before - to Susan Evans in 1891, and had a daughter Elizabeth

In 1901 Walter and Susan are listed with Elizabeth, 19, born Bethnal Green.
Elizabeth's age is mistranscribed - she's actually 9.

SHAW, ELIZABETH ESTHER mmn EVANS
GRO Reference: 1891 D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 205


By 1911 Walter is with Rose.
Susan (plus daughter Elizabeth) is with James Emms, two more children (one mmn Evans, the other Shaw) and 3 step-children (mmn Deighton)..

Susan and James eventually married in 1930.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Apr 2021 12:42

I don't see George/Gustav & Jane's daughter Mary after 1891 - though this may possibly be her death:

Mary Schulzendorff
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Mary Schulzendorff
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Registration Year: 1912
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 23
Registration District: Dartford
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 833



Their daughter Louisa Alice died in 1903:

Louisa A Schulzendorff
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Louisa A Schulzendorff
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Registration Year: 1903
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 2
Registration District: Bethnal Green
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 140

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Apr 2021 12:49

The Schulzendorff/Wensley births posted earlier by Shirley are the children of George/Gustav's brother Ludwig, aged 11 in the 1871 census Shirley posted, and later known as Charles Louis:

Charles Louis Schulzendorff
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Charles Louis Schulzendorff
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 14 Jun 1880
Marriage Place: St George in the East, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: Ludwig Schulzendorff ( shoemaker)
Spouse: Martha Matilda Wensley
Register Type: Parish Register