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Name: Alfred Ambrose Smith
Death Date: 1 Mar 1956
Death Place: London, England
Probate Date: 20 Apr 1956
Probate Registry: London, England
Admin to May Charlotte Smith, widow

Name: Alfred Ambrose Smith
Register Type: Burial
Death Date: abt 1956
Burial or Cremation Date: 9 Mar 1956
Burial or Cremation Place: Greenwich, London, England

Name: Alfred A Smith
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1904
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 22
Residence Place: Greenwich, London, England
Occupation: Bricklayer
Line Number: 32
Schedule Number: 124
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: Ahao
Borough: Greenwich
Registration district: 27/1
Inferred Spouse:
May Charlotte Smith
Household Members Age
Alfred A Smith 35
May Charlotte Smith 34

Name: Alfred A Smith
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar 1926
Registration District: Greenwich
Inferred County: London
Spouse: May C Gordon

Name: May Charlotte Smith
Register Type: Cremation
Death Date: 14 Jan 1999
Burial or Cremation Date: 28 Jan 1999
Burial or Cremation Place: Greenwich, London, England

I think I do have a copy of the cert. Daughter is getting married in 2 days time so I think I should be doing stuff for that! I will check and come back next week.

Thanks again everyone.

Name: Miriam R A Andrews
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 24 Jun 1912
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 38
Residence Place: Chislehurst and Sidcup, Kent, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 14
Schedule Number: 208
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: Cjqz
Borough: Chislehurst and Sidcup
Registration district: 42/5
Household Members Age
Jack H Andrews 28
Miriam R A Andrews 27


Name: Miriam Rosina Annie Andrews
Register Type: Cremation
Death Date: 18 Aug 1984
Burial or Cremation Date: 24 Aug 1984
Burial or Cremation Place: Greenwich, London, England

Name: Miriam Rosina Annie Andrews
Death Date: 18 Aug 1984
Death Place: Sidcup
Probate Date: 14 Nov 1984
Probate Registry: London

Name: Joseph Robert Edward Smith
Register Type: Burial
Death Date: abt 1924
Burial or Cremation Date: 17 Mar 1924
Burial or Cremation Place: Greenwich, London, England

Name: Elizabeth Rosena Pilgrim
Baptism Date: 31 Jul 1878
Baptism Place: Greenwich, Kent, England
Father: John Pilgrim
Mother: Eliza Pilgrim
FHL Film Number: 384887
Reference ID: v 2 p 183

Baptism isn't necessarily year of birth - although, in this instance, it is

Age at death is only 'as known'

Marriage
12 Mar 1902 • Trinity Church, Charlton next Woolwich, London, England
Daniel Robert Smith
(1882–1938)

SMITH, MIRIAM ROSINA ANNIE PILGRIM
GRO Reference: 1912 S Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 2019

RAF

Name Daniel Robert Smith
Gender Male
Age 33
Birth Date1883
Service Date12 Jan 1916
Service Number17992
Spouse Elizabeth Rosina Smith
Next of Kin Elizabeth Rosina Smith Wife

Deaths Dec 1943 (>99%)
Smith Elizabeth R 68 Lewisham 1d 1050

1921 census -

Elizabeth
Smith
1878
Greenwich, London, England
Greenwich
Greenwich
London, Kent

She's with Robert Daniel, Joseph Robert, and 3 others.

Elizabeth died 1943:

SMITH, ELIZABETH ROSINA 68
GRO Reference: 1943 D Quarter in LEWISHAM Volume 01D Page 1050

So if her husband is the same Daniel Robert Smith who married Annie Tarrant, they must have separated before 1931.


ADDED:

Well, maybe that's a different woman, as the one in 1911 census was baptised in 1878.

Name: Daniel Robert Smith
Death Date: 21 Sep 1938
Death Place: Kent, England
Probate Date: 13 Oct 1938
Last address 3 Commerell Street............in 1939, the only person there was a female OAP
Probate to ANNIE Smith, widow

Deaths Sep 1938 (>99%)
SMITH Daniel R 55 Greenwich 1d 737

This is that family in 1911

Joseph Robert Edward Smith
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Joseph Robert Edward Smith
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Greenwich
Country: England
Street Address: 29 Newcastle Street, East Greenwich S E
Registration District Number: 28
Sub-registration District: Greenwich East
ED, institution, or vessel: 04
Piece: 2690
Household Members:
Name Age
Daniel Albert Smith 29
Elizabeth Rosina Smith 32
Joseph Robert Edward Smith 8
Alfred Ambrose Smith 6
Robert Smith

Name: Alfred Ambrose Smith
Age in 1911: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1905
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Greenwich
Country: England
Street Address: 29 Newcastle Street, East Greenwich S E
Registration District Number: 28
Sub-registration District: Greenwich East
ED, institution, or vessel: 04
Piece: 2690
Household Members:
Name Age
Daniel Albert (Robert) Smith 29
Elizabeth Rosina Smith 32
Joseph Robert Edward Smith 8
Alfred Ambrose Smith 6
Robert Smith 4


Name: Alfred Ambrose Smith
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 3 Nov 1904
Baptism Place: Christ Church, Greenwich, Kent, England
Father: Robert Daniel Smith
Mother: Elizabeth

I assume this is the 1902 marriage:

Marriages Mar 1902 (>99%)
Jones Annie Maude Woolwich 1d 1532
Jones Jack Woolwich 1d 1532
Pilgrim Elizabeth Woolwich 1d 1532 <<<<<<<<
Smith Robert Woolwich 1d 1532 <<<<<<<


Do you have a copy of the cert, to be sure this is the correct couple?

NO marriage on freebmd for Elizabeth R Pilgrim to Smith

Name: Elizabeth Pilgrim
Registration Year: 1902
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Woolwich
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 1532
Records on Page:
Name
Annie Maude Jones
Jack Jones
Elizabeth Pilgrim
Robert Smith



SMITH, ALFRED AMBROSE PILGRIM
GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 1118
SMITH, JOSEPH ROBERT EDWARD PILGRIM
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 1165
SMITH, ROBERT PILGRIM
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 1101

The information ErikaH posted is the overview of a public tree on Ancestry.

However, when one actually looks at the tree, his wife is shown as Elizabeth Rosina Pilgrim.


This is that marriage:

Daniel R Smith
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Daniel R Smith
Registration Date: Jan 1931[Feb 1931] [Mar 1931]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Greenwich
Inferred County: London
Spouse: Annie Tarrant
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 1158


I don't see a 1902 marriage to Elizabeth R Pilgrim.

"Daniel Robert Smith
Spouse Annie Tarrant
Father Ambrose Allen Todd Smith
Mother Maria Martha Westerby
Children Miriam Rosina Annie
Birth 30 Oct 1882 Poplar, Middlesex, England
Death 21 Sep 1938 Greenwich, Kent, England
Residence 1930 Greenwich, Kent, England"

I have Daniel as marrying Elizabeth R Pilgrim in 1902. I cannot find this marriage? Can I ask where you found this please?

Name: Alfd Francis Smith
Gender: Male
Age: 7
Birth Date: 2 Jun 1880
Admission Date: 5 Dec 1887
School: St Leonard's Road School
Father: Ambrose Smith
Notes: Saint Leonard's Road School (0641) opened in 1885

Name: Ambrose Allen Todd Smith
Age: 68
Birth Date: abt 1851
Death Date: abt 1919
Burial Date: 15 Feb 1919
Burial Place: Epsom Cemetery, Surrey, England

Name: Mrs Maria Martha Smith
Birth Date: Mar 1856
Birth Place: Battersea, London Borough of Wandsworth, Greater London, England
Death Date: Jun 1911
Death Place: Epsom, Epsom and Ewell Borough, Surrey, England
Cemetery: Epsom Cemetery
Spouse: Ambrose Allen Todd Smith