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I m looking to find the parents of James Entwistle 1815. He was married to Hannah Warburton 1809-1890 and had a son also James born in 1847.

You don't say where they were.

Is this the family?

James Entwisle
in the 1851 England Census
Name: James Entwisle
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah Entwisle
Gender: Male
Where Born: Bury, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Tottington Lower End
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Bury
Sub-registration District: Holcombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 2f
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 55
Piece: 2212
Folio: 157
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
James Entwisle 35
Hannah Entwisle 39
Mary Entwisle 15
Robert Entwisle 10
Thomas Entwisle 8
Sarah Entwisle 6
James Entwisle 4
Richard Entwisle 1


James Entwisle
in the 1841 England Census
Name: James Entwisle
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where Born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Bury
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
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Registration District: Bury
Sub-registration District: Holcombe
Neighbors:
Piece: 540
Book: 7
Folio: 26
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
James Entwisle 20
Hannah Entwisle 30
Elizabeth Entwisle 2
Robert Entwisle 6 Mo

There are quite a few baptisms for the name James Entwistle in Lancashire so it's difficult to know which is the correct one.

This looks like their marriage:-

First name(s) James
Country England
Last name Entwistle
Volume 21
Marriage quarter 3
Volume as transcribed 21
Marriage year 1844
Page number 211
Registration month -
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
MarriageFinder™ James Entwistle married one of these people
Mary Scowcroft, Maria Woolsterholme, Rachel Duckworth, >>>>Hannah Warburton<<<<
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Bury
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
District number -
Collections from Great Britain, England
County Lancashire

The marriage certificate should name his father (if he knew him) and the witnesses might give some clues.

Kath. x

They are from the Bury area and I am sure the first one is them but dont think the second can be as the ages aren't right.

The ages on the second census (1841) posted by ArgyllGran were rounded down to the nearest five years so they would be the same couple.

Kath. x

I don't see any births of Entwistle/Warburton children in Bury. (Nor variation of spelling.)

How do you know he married Hannah Warburton?

His wife was born in Bolton (per 1861 census), or Edgeworth (per 1871 and 1881 censuses) , although Bury (per 1851), and just Lancashire per 1841.

Thanks ErikaH. Ihad originally added the 1815 biirth to Susannah Entwistle to the tree but then wondered if I was wrong but looking at the suggestions made, I think that this is the most likely one. I don't thihk the Isherwood connection is right but will at have a look again at the info I have got and get back to you. Thanks for your help everyone and you advice.

Yes, I'd noticed those births, ErikaH, while looking for a recurring mmn .


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ENTWISLE, GEORGE mmn ISHERWOOD
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in BURY LANCASHIRE Volume 21 Page 388

ENTWISLE, HENRY mmn ISHERWOOD
GRO Reference: 1852 D Quarter in BURY LANCASHIRE Volume 08C Page 298

ENTWISLE, JACOB mmn ISHERWOOD
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in BURY, LANCASHIRE Volume 21 Page 362


George Entwistle
in the 1861 England Census
Name: George Entwistle
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: 1852
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Entwistle
Mother's Name: Hannah Entwistle
Gender: Male
Where Born: Bury, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Tottington Lower End
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Bury
Sub-registration District: Holcombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 55
Piece: 2837
Folio: 147
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
James Entwistle 46
Hannah Entwistle 52
Mary Entwistle 25
Elizabeth Entwistle 22
Robert Entwistle 20
Thomas Entwistle 18
James Entwistle 16
Sarah Ann Entwistle 14
Richard Entwistle 11
George Entwistle 9
Willm Henry 8

Potted history of the Entwistles from the start:-
Alan Entwistle 1955
His father and mother Eric Ronald Entwistle 1929-2005, Dorothy Shandley 1932-2017
Erics father and mother Robert Entwistle 1905, Emily Watts 1904-1947
Roberts father and mother Robert Entwistle 1878, Margaret Ann Eastwood 1874
Roberts father and mother James Entwistle 1847, Amelia Airey 1852
The baptism entry for the 24th May 1847 for James in Holcolme, Lancashire shows James and Hannah Entwistle as his parents. This last info was obtained from Ancestry.and some from family Hope all that helps.

James Entwistle
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name: James Entwistle
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: Of Full Age
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 11 Nov 1838
Marriage Place: Bolton-le-Moors, St Peter, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Bolton-le-Moors
Father: James Entwistle <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse: Anne Isherwood

James (c 1816) was also born in Edgworth, according to 1861 and 1871 censuses.

???? Just maybe, given the place of marriage:
But no way of proving it.

James Entwisle
Vital • England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
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Name James Entwisle
Sex Male
Christening Date 26 Mar 1815
Christening Place Bolton le Moors St Peter, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original) Bolton-Le-Moors, Lancashire, England
Father's Name James Entwisle
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Sally
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Christening

Weighing all the info up it seems as if it could be either as there is no definitive proof pointing to one or the other. There were a lot of Entwistles around in Lancashire at that time. In this case it makes my initial request null and void as I may have the wrong strand anyway. Frustrating but thanks to all of you for your input.

After looking again and weighing it all up I am still leaning towards James being married to Amelia Airey and his parents being James and Hannah. It isn't definitive is it though so would probably be best not to add either.

Seeing as Argyll gran' s posts suggest it was just as likely that he was married to Anne Isherwood I fail to see how you can be so certain. I may be missing the point here but as I am doing the tree for someone else I want to be certain the information is correct and I don't like being spoken to in that patronising manner. I am aware that you are an
"expert" and myself an amateur but that is no reason to treat me as an idiot. At the end of the day my original request has not been addressed anyway but again a big thankyou to everyone for your input. It was much appreciated.

We think that it was James 1847 who married Amelia Airey.

James Entwistle (c1816) and Anna /Anne/Hannah Isherwood were probably his parents.

But as you say, there's no proof of that, as James Entwistle was a common name in the area.

You have actually confirmed what I just said. I repeatedly thanked everyone for helping me and I find your reaction childish. Whatever you choose to do is your decision but once again I will say thanks for all help and suggestions which I have taken on board.

Just to make it clear to anyone reading this thread now -
Katqueen's last two posts are not in reply to any of my posts, which might now appear to be the case, but to posts by someone else who has now deleted them.

Looks like katqueen was spot on with her comment 19:23