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Good Morning All

I wonder if anybody has access to BMD records from Malta, and would mind looking something up for me?

I had a Great Uncle, Charles John Olley, who shows in 1939 as being married to Esther M Olley (maiden name not shown of course). I couldn't find any record of him marrying in the UK. They had 2 children, when I checked their birth record the Mother's maiden name is Scerri, which I found by googling is probably Maltese.

From her death record I can see her full name was Esther Mary SCERRI, born 5/4/1899. I am hoping to find (well hoping somebody can find for me) a record of when and where they married. In the 1921 census he said he was single, their eldest child was born in January 1928, so the marriage is likely to be between these 2 dates.

Thanks in advance

Duncan

Try familysearch website

When looking for unusual areas for research it is always worth ‘Googling’.

charles John Olley

in the UK, Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1848-1939

Name Charles John Olley
Gender Male
Birth Date 21 Apr 1899
Birth Place Strood , Kent.
First Service Date 1 Oct 1915
First Ship Served On Powerful
Last Service Date 3 Dec 1928
Last Ship Served On Repulse
Service Number J44941

Record can be viewed on ancestry

That would explain why he was in Malta.

The marriage may be in the Armed Forces marriage records on FMP

nothing on fmp

Charles is home in 1921

Charles Olley in 1921
1921 Census Of England & Wales
30, Grove Road, Frindsbury, Frindsbury Intra, Kent, England
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First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Charles Olley Head Male 1863 57 Essex, England Boat Builder Flying Boal Buling Short Bross Aercautioner Engineers
Emma Olley Wife Female 1864 56 Burnham on Crouch, Essex, England Private -
Ethel Baker Daughter Female 1888 32 Essex, England Private -
Charles Olley Son Male 1899 22 Strood, Kent, England - Leading Seaman R R
Frederic Olley Son Male 1903 18 Strood, Kent, England Boat Builar Appretice Lip Baot Bulding Sheet Bros Acromatical Engineers
Ruby Olley Daughter Female 1906 14 Strood, Kent, England Private -
Irene Olley Daughter Female 1910 11 Strood, Kent, England - -
Arthur Baker Grandson Male 1912 8 Maidstone, Kent, England - -
Phyllis Baker Granddaughter Female 1916 5 Maidstone, Kent, England - -

It may be worth ordering his records from Kew

Charles John Olley in 1925-39
British Royal Navy & Royal Marines Service And Pension Records, 1704-1939
Great Britain
First name(s) Charles John
Department ADM
Last name Olley
Archive The National Archives, Kew
Birth year 1899
Reference ADM 363/201/26
Birth date 21 April 1899
Source website View source website
Birth place Strood, Kent
Record set British Royal Navy & Royal Marines Service And Pension Records, 1704-1939
Birth county Kent
Series ADM 363
Birth country England
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Service number J. 44941
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Year 1925-39
Collections from Great Britain, England
Description Name: Charles John Olley. Official Number: J. 44941. Date of Birth: 21 April 1899. Place of Birth: Strood, Kent.

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Other records featuring that name
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That record would be the same as the one on FMP.

Nameless
That was taken from FMP !

But the full records seem to be available from Kew

I’ve previously.been able to see the actual document on FMP ( which I don’t have anymore). The National Archives used to point you to FMP - don’t they do that anymore?

Added: just checked out some of those I have and see I’m out of date. I wonder when the NA stopped the arrangement with FMP.?

I went to Kew many years ago and found my grandfather,and his brother, army records when they served late 1890,s and were in the second boar war

It maybe at that time fmp and ancestry hadnt transcribed the original first page records

FMP does have the transcription but not his full records

This is my grandfather
Frederick Fasey in 1899-1902
Anglo-Boer War Records 1899-1902
Great Britain
First name(s) Frederick
Literary references The National Archives WO97. Regular army service papers.
Last name Fasey
Notes QSA Clasps: CC,OFS,T KSA Clasps: SA01,SA02
Year 1899-1902
Country Great Britain
Rank Private
Record set Anglo-Boer War Records 1899-1902
Service number 3792
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Regiment Army Ordnance Corps
Subcategory Boer Wars
Rolls WO100/233
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
Copyright The Register of the Anglo-Boer War 1899-1902

I used to trot off to Kew with my list. Was so pleased when you could get the navy record sheet on FMP.
So fascinating to see all the ships they had served in. Found a website that listed where they were so you could match dates.

Thank you all for your comments.

Erika I did look on FamilySearch, it said 0 results when I searched for her name, and their Maltese marriages don't cover the right period.

Maddie - yes that's him.

Nameless - yes I would imagine they met while he was in port in Malta.

Shirley - yes that's him. His brother Frederick was my Grandad. I'll have another look at TNA, I've never actually purchased from them so it'll be an experiment no matter what I can get.

Thank you all for your input.

You say there were two children, and the eldest child was born in January 1928.

No, they had three, and the eldest was born in 1925:

Births Sep 1925 (>99%)
Olley Esther M Scerri Medway 2a 1311


The family in 1939 - the closed record will be Esther, whose death hasn't been picked up:

Charles J Olley
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name Charles J Olley
Gender Male
Marital Status Married
Birth Date 21 Apr 1899
Residence Date 1939
Address The Cottages Shotley Gate
Residence Place Samford, Suffolk, England
Occupation Rn Chief Petty Officer
Line Number 29
Schedule Number 206
Sub Schedule Number 1
Enumeration District Txkr
Borough Samford
Registration district 212-1
Inferred Spouse
Ethel M Olley
Inferred Children
Charles J Olley
Sheila D Olley
Household Members (Name) Gender
Charles J Olley Male
Ethel M Olley Female - 5/4/1899 [ name is Esther on image: correction submitted]
This record is officially closed. [ this is the daughter Esther ]
Charles J Olley Male - 16/1/1928
Sheila D Olley Female - 16 /1/1929



Esther (1925) married in Chatham in 1953, but must have divorced, as both she and her husband married other people in 1972.

Her death:

Esther Mary Race
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name Esther Mary Race
Death Age 69
Birth Date 30 Jul 1925
Registration Date May 1995
Registration district Chatham
Inferred County Kent
Register Number C25A
District and Subdistrict 5611C
Entry Number 141


That narrows the timespan for Charles J's marriage date to 1921-25

Argyllgran thank you, I didn't know about the eldest daughter Esther.

It's sad really, I was born in Chatham and still living there when Esther junior died. For 31 years we lived in the same place, yet I had no idea she existed. Our paths may have crossed and neither of us knew. I have found this a lot with my recent Olley ancestors, yet my Grandad Frederick, who was a friendly and talkative man who I was close to, never even mentioned them.