General Chat

we are stuck on our family tree and that isn't even going too far back on some parts.
the areas we are stuck on are:-

dorothy goodrick 1897 from sunderland, we only have her father francis henry goodrick but no year of birth and no further details back after francis

george heptinstall 1808 or 1809 d.o.b from northumberland, newcastle but no further back. we have a poss link of father being joseph and mother martha archbould (archbold?)

james flavell 1810 d.o.b(his son was frederick who's wife was ann maria grice) and james' dad was john 1778 d.o.b

henry johnson 1769 d.o.b born in norfolk married catherine walker in 12 june 1797 we have gone no further back apart from a poss bit of info that was henry's baptism 09 march 1770 with father being william deceased and mother anne but we are not sure if this is incorrect

thomas brettell and wife jemima who had a number of children, one being edward who was born 1797-1998

with all of the above we really would want help with any info at all with the main aim of going further back but even just fleshing out the existing info. we are not too knowledgable with this and dont know where to get any more info.

thanks

Hello Barbara

I suggest you buy a copy of Dorothy Goodrick's birth certificate.
Once you have that you will find out her mother's name.

Then if you buy a copy of the marriage certificate between Francis Henry Goodrick and whoever you find out is her mother, you will be able to find out from that the father's names of both of them to take you back further.

Not much help, I know, but hope it is of some use.

Tina x

thanks for the info so far. we already found the the marriage info for her we simply found it under charles with her as the partner but the one you now pointed us to is her with charles as the partner.

we couldn't get enough info to guarantee that it was the right birth certificate. when we look at the birth indexes it really only shows the name and place but nothing else. we are not even sure if the dorothy kate goodrick is the right one as we dont think she had a middle name we are not sure if it is sunderland either merely that this was the type of accent. i would be willing to buy the birth certificate even if it may be wrong but where would i do this?

www.gro.gov.uk is where to get certificates from, (£7 each) this is the offical government website, if you are not sure the certificate you order is for the right person they do have a service were they can check details such as the fathers name for you this does cost a bit extra (£3) but if you can decide between several possiabilities its cheaper than ordering them all.

Personally I'd try and find Dorothy on the 1901 and 1911 census, if you haven't already, if your lucky you may find her with family, I know for some of my lines sometimes the mother isn't their but the rest of the family including older siblings are so you can then if the older siblings are old enough go back another decade.

I do though order certificates for my direct ancestors, as I have found its easy to follow a family back that have the right name but are the wrong family, also to take anyone elses information with a pinch of salt unless they have the documents to prove their tree.

Hello Barbara

Have looked on FreeBMD too.

There are children from the marriage of Dorothy Goodrick to Charles W Heptinstall all in Sunderland.

Doris
Sarah
Ellen (Goderick)
Charles (Gooderick)

Wonder if its work looking under the spelling of some of the children i.e. Goderick and Gooderick?

Sorry I cannot help any further, its very frustrating I know.

Certificates can be got from the GRO website.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro

Its where I get all my certificates from.

Good luck
Tina x

1901 England Census
Name: Dorothy Gooderick
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Francis Hy
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Sunderland
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: North Bishopwearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 232
Household Members: Name Age
Francis Hy Gooderick 52
Ann Gooderick 46
Ned D Gooderick 24
Frances Gooderick 22
Charles Gooderick 18
Francis Gooderick 17
Ann Gooderick 15
John S Gooderick 14
Allward Gooderick 12
Lovie Gooderick 10
Edson Gooderick 8
************************Dorothy Gooderick 4
Arthur Gooderick 3 months

1881 England Census
Name: Francis Gooderick
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address: 13 Booth St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Boilermaker

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Francis Gooderick 38
Annie Gooderick 26
Elizabeth A. Gooderick 8
Thomas W. Gooderick 4
Frances H. Gooderick 2

Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%)
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Cummings Anne Sunderland 10a 1043
GOODERICK Frank Sunderland 10a 1043

1891 England Census
Name: Francis H Goodnick
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Bishop Wearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 17a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Francis H Goodnick 42
Annie Goodnick 36
Elizabeth Goodnick 18
Thomas W Goodnick 14
Frances E Goodnick 12
Charles Goodnick 8
Frank Goodnick 7
Annie Goodnick 5
John S Goodnick 4
Alloward Goodnick 2
Louie Goodnick 1

Births Sep 1848 (>99%)
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Gooderick Francis Henry Sunderland 24 507

1851 England Census
Name: Edward Brettell
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Bell Broughton, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Hampton in Arden
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Meriden
Sub-registration district: Coleshill
ED, institution, or vessel: 3b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Brettell 53
Mary Brettell 50
Thomas Brettell 21
William Brettell 16
Charles Brettell 11
Harry Brettell 9

(these 3 are servants)
Ann Hough 20
James Stanford 20
John Savage 18

thanks guys so much especially choccy. it just goes to show though that most of those names are mispelt so i guess that is the volunteers unfortuntely putting the info in wrong.
a bit more to go on now cheers

1861 England Census
Name: Edward Brettell
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Bollbroughton, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Hampton in Arden
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Meriden
Sub-registration district: Meriden
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Brettell 62
Mary Brettell 60
Thomas Brettell 31
Charles Brettell 21
Eliza Jeffs 18
Amelia Mobbs 14
Charles Harris 24
Thomas Richards 16

Edward Brettell is a farmer of 230 acres emplying 3 labourers and 2 boys

cheers choccy

we really wanted to print out the census that relates to the 1861 census for edward brettell but when i put the exact same details in the search records and put in edward brettell and year of birth 1798 with 1 year either way, it only brings up 5 people but all 1800 and something D.O.B.
where did you find that info?
thanks very much

Got the 1861 census from the Ancestry site.

If anyone else can print full details for Barbara, I would be grateful.

The record is very easy to find on Ancestry
1861
Edward Brettell Mary abt 1799 Bollbroughton, Worcestershire, England Head Hampton in Arden, Warwickshire
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If you are using a different site then it becomes a bit more difficult.
Can you find with the Reference?

RG9; Piece: 2189; Folio: 104; Page: 5;

cheers guys, got it