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Anyone know about Master grocers/fruiterers?

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Uggers

Uggers Report 9 Aug 2009 18:26

Would someone who called themselves a Master grocer/ fruiterer (late 1800s early 1900s in London) probably have served an apprenticeship and are there likely to be records? I've had some experience of researching apprenticeship records but earlier on and mostly with the City Livery companies, not with this so any help would be appreciated

Fiona aka Ruby

Fiona aka Ruby Report 9 Aug 2009 18:30

From what I gather, a master grocer/fruitier was one who had his own shop. :)

Uggers

Uggers Report 9 Aug 2009 18:33

Thank Fi - we were wondering if that's all it was. If he'd been an apprentice we'd have got more records maybe:)

ChAoTicintheNewYear

ChAoTicintheNewYear Report 9 Aug 2009 18:34

Maybe this one could see into the future and decided to call himself 'Master' just to confuse you ;-pp

Researching:
Kids with special needs are not weird or odd. They only want what everyone else wants...to be accepted.

Uggers

Uggers Report 9 Aug 2009 18:36

I see you're still hanging about being constructive Cat lol

*¨`*★Boro-Lass★*¨`*

*¨`*★Boro-Lass★*¨`* Report 9 Aug 2009 18:36

Not sure if this link will be useful...just in case it's..

http://www.originsnetwork.com/help/popup-aboutbo-lonapps2.htm


Marion

Fiona aka Ruby

Fiona aka Ruby Report 9 Aug 2009 18:37

I suppose that everyone who was/is self-employed is their own master.

Uggers

Uggers Report 9 Aug 2009 18:39

Thanks for that link, Marion - I have had loads of useful stuff from their apprenticeship records before. This one I'm asking about is for a mate and after 1850 but although I've used the site often I've never seen that list before :) I might have to have another go through it:)

Julia

Julia Report 9 Aug 2009 18:40

Uggers - I think there was abit more to it, than has been suggested. Like time served etc. My 2 x GT Grandad was a Master Baker, and had an apprentice. Sorry, havn't time to go into it now, as about to serve the evening meal. I would like to find more about apprentice records though.
Julia in Derbyshire

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Turner Cambs/.Northants, Singapore and Penang,Trengrove Singapore and Penang, Arnull (Champion Race Horse Breeders & Trainers 'Oleander')Germany and Denmark

me

me Report 9 Aug 2009 18:41

just found this


As far as I am aware you have Apprentice, Journeyman and Master. A
Master was someone who employed and trained others. A Journeyman was
fully qualified but hired out their services and an Apprentice was
training under a Master.


The description Master was usually given to a self-employed
person or the owner/boss of a small business. So yes, Master
Grocer makes good sense.

Uggers

Uggers Report 9 Aug 2009 18:43

Thanks Keith, I wondered why you had pmed it and not put it straight on here:)

I hope you and Julia are right and someone knows

ChAoTicintheNewYear

ChAoTicintheNewYear Report 9 Aug 2009 18:43

Aye, Uggers :-)

I'm probably right as well ;-)

Researching:
Kids with special needs are not weird or odd. They only want what everyone else wants...to be accepted.

Uggers

Uggers Report 9 Aug 2009 18:44

You probably are, Cat lol

I suppose as it's London, the LMA is the best place to ask. Might have a look at the website:)

Uggers

Uggers Report 9 Aug 2009 18:46

Unless it was a livery company apprenticeship and then it would be the Guildhall:)

Jean Durant

Jean Durant Report 9 Aug 2009 18:46

Alright, alright.... I get the message :)

Uggers

Uggers Report 9 Aug 2009 18:47

lol Jeannie, it might well be the GH though;)

Jean Durant

Jean Durant Report 9 Aug 2009 18:47

Which are now at the LMA and are going to be indefinitely :))))))))))

Uggers

Uggers Report 9 Aug 2009 18:49

oh yeah pmsl. You'd better get the details of the descendant;)

DIZZI

DIZZI Report 9 Aug 2009 19:15

MINE FROM BRIGHTON SUSSEX
WILL LOOK UP

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FINCH+LOCK+WEAVER+HALES+BROOKINGS+MANSFIELD+HOOK+TITCHENER and STEVEN & ISRAEL WEAVER c1735

Uggers

Uggers Report 9 Aug 2009 19:21

Thanks Gwen but Jean's already offered:)