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Maybe if Jane remarried, the children were known by the new surname, even if they didn't change officially.

When Jane died as Mrs STOYLES, ...birth father absent, maybe Bernard entered an orphanage as STOYLES, or even RYAN..,his siblings surname....?

Gwyn

this is a possible death - about right year of birth -



England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
Name: Joseph E Robertshaw
Death Registration Month/Year: 1946
Age at death (estimated): 69
Registration district: Bradford
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 153



Unfortunately another certificate required !

It wasn't Joseph on the CWGC site -


this is from Ancestry - his name was John


UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
Name: John Edward Robertshaw
Birth Place: Dudley Hill, Bradford, Yorks
Residence: Leeds
Death Date: 1 Jul 1916
Rank: Private
Regiment: Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire Regiment)
Battalion: 10th Battalion.
Number: 14161
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Aldershot



EDIT - just beat me to it Janice !

The CWGC person is a John:

Name: John E Robertshaw
Regiment or Corps: West Yorkshire
Regimental Number: 14161

so Joseph is still unaccounted for.

Maybe half sister ...?

Name: Elizabeth Stoyles
Birth Date: 29 Mar 1917
Death Registration Month/Year: Feb 1995
Age at death (estimated): 77
Registration district: Pontefract
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Register number: C25D
District and Subdistrict: 0981C
Entry number: 169

That looks a good possibility (for death of Joseph).


Wouldn't Agnes have married as Agnes Ryan, her birth name?


Only the certificate would possibly tell.


There are three possible marriages for Agnes Ryan up to 1930, one in 1928 and two in 1930.

Not posting because of possible living relatives.

Possible marriage for Agnes

Marriages Dec 1945

Robertshaw Agnes Scaife Keighley 9a 608
Scaife George Robertshaw Keighley 9a 608

This could be him

ROBERTSHAW
Initials: J E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: West Yorkshire Regiment (Prince of Wales's Own)
Unit Text: 10th Bn.
Date of Death: 01/07/1916
Service No: 14161
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: V. S. I.
Cemetery: DANTZIG ALLEY BRITISH CEMETERY, MAMETZ

Looks like she died in 1918 -



England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
Name: Jane E Stoyles
Death Registration Month/Year: 1918
Age at death (estimated): 43
Registration district: Bradford
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 148

What a surprise !

At least it confirms it is her. Wonder what happened to Joseph?

Births Jun 1917

Stoyles Elizabeth ..Ryan .. Bradford 9b 165

possible marriage of Leonard -


Marriages Jun 1928 (>99%)
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Ryan Leonard Watson Bradford 9b 476
Watson Elizabeth Ryan Bradford 9b 476

Well done Choccy.

So 1911 suggests Joseph is not around and perhaps hasn't been for a while, judging by childrens' ages.

Sarah

Birth of Bernard would show his mother as a married woman and he would therefore be registered in that surname, even if Joseph wasn't the father.
Any chance of viewing his possible baptism record, which may show more information ?

Gwyn

maybe Jane re-married ?


Marriages Mar 1917 (>99%)
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Robertshaw Jane E Stoyles Bradford 9b 231
Stoyles John N Robertshaw Bradford 9b 231

Births Sep 1901 (>99%)
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RYAN Agnes Bradford, Y. 9b 43



Births Dec 1903 (>99%)
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Ryan Leonard Bradford 9b 66

no credits to view, but this could be them -


HOUSEHOLD ROBERSHAW JANE F 1875 36 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD ROBERSHAW AGNES F 1901 10 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD ROBERSHAW LEONARD M 1904 7 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding


Married 1904

Doesn't look as though Joseph is with them.

Marriages Jun 1904

Robertshaw Joseph Edward ..Bradford 9b 279
Ryan Jane Elizabeth ..Bradford 9b 279

Have you found them in 1911?

Gwyn

Still searching for my grandfathers family.

His mother was Jane Elizabeth Ryan married to Joseph Edward Robertshaw living in Bradford. Janes parents were William and Mary Ryan from Ireland and the whole family worked within the woolen mills from what we have gathered so far Jane being a Worsted Drawer.
My grandfather Bernard was born in 1913 and had a sister but I have no information as to whether she is older or younger or even what her name might have been (although an aunt remembers my grandfather talking about an Agnus)

The problem i have is that on my Grandfathers birth certificate the fathers name and occupation are blank. I know his mother Jane was married as she is listed as Robertshaw formerly Ryan.

My grandfather and his sister were orphaned and we have no idea why. Everything we were told by him has turned out to be untrue. He told us he was taken into a Bernardos home but I have undertaken searches with them and other homes in the country who have no record of him at all. We believe that because of his mental health (he suffered with Schizophrenia) he may have been taken into a mental institution but have no idea of how to begin this search as his life started in Bradford but ended in Brentford, London.

Any links, information or help is greatfully recieved!!

Thanks
Sarah