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That'll be Ivy then??????

Or there could be another older one who doesn't live at home any more.

1 child born, 1 still living !

Hi Choccy - or anyone with a 1911 subscription,

On the 1911 image (not transcript), what does it say about children born to that marriage?

Hi Jill,

Have you followed Mary's siblings' lines to see if there are any illegitimate children or mothers who die? Wondering if Ivy is a sibling's child as it would probably be a same generation agreement, don't you think?

I agree you've got a toughie here!
Janice

her marriage certificate has her as ivy walton, father william walton living in wrexham and no info on death certificate. perhaps her name was changed when she was adopted but my dad thinks that she was someones child in the family of walton or wynne, no proof of this at all it's just a thought he has.

Yes, thanks Choccy.
That blows that theory! And I've found that Ivy too now :-(.

All the Ivys seem to be accounted for in 1911. Wonder if the name was changed when she was adopted.

Don't think bmds are going to be useful here. A christening might help.

Jill, do you have Ivy's marriage cert? What does it say on that? Or does her death cert have an alternative name given?

this one ?


BEAVAN, Charles Head Married M 35 1876 Engine Fitter Flintshire Buckley VIEW
BEAVAN, Hannah Wife Married
15 years F 35 1876 Flintshire Buckley VIEW
BEAVAN, William Son Single M 12 1899 School Flintshire Buckley VIEW
BEAVAN, Lawrance Son Single M 9 1902 School Flintshire Buckley VIEW
BEAVAN, Joseph Son Single M 8 1903 School Flintshire Buckley VIEW
BEAVAN, Louisa Daughter Single F 5 1906 Flintshire Buckley VIEW
BEAVAN, Newton Son Single M 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Flintshire Buckley VIEW
BEAVAN, Robert Son Single M 2 1909 Flintshire Buckley VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
33995 Reference:
RG14PN33995 RG78PN1962 RD620 SD1 ED32 SN121

Registration District:
Hawarden Sub District:
Hawarden Enumeration District:
32 Parish:
Buckley Mold

Address:
Brunswick Cottages Buckley County:
Flintshire

Please can someone with findmypast look at Charles and Hannah Beavan in 1911 (aged 35) and see if Ivy Beavan is with them.

She's an Ivy of the right age who I cant account for and doesn't seem to have died.. Could be just mistranscribed.

The Chester registration district covers a huge area - not just Chester itself. It goes into Cheshire as well as flintshire.

I'm not that far away Jill, but not lived here long...so when I think of Flints I think north Flints...which I had sort of assumed as they married in Chester.

colemere is in ellesmere shropshire, mary was born there then the family moved to bradenheath hanmer flintshire, these days however hanmer is in shropshire so if the boundaries changed over the years maybe at one point colemere was under hanmer. her birth certificate says colemere ellesmere though.
confusing or what?

I'm a bit confused here! lol

Mary Emma is down as being born Colemere in 1911 which is Shropshire...

but Mary Emma with parents is born Hanmer Flintshire...

edit oh ok Hanmer just over Welsh border from Whitchurch ...got a bit lost on the map there lol......

There are 3 Ivys born in Whitchurch in the 1901 of the right age. All of them are still with their parents in 1911.

Back to the drawing board!

yes they married in 1893 at chester, on 1891 census mary was at home with her parents in bradenheath. ivy the daughter was my granny who we are pretty sure was "adopted" by mary and william and that is what i am trying to find out, if she was with them on 1901 census. as legal adoption didn't start until 1927 it makes things very hard when you come up against this sort of thing.
thanks all who are looking for me, i appreciate it
jill x

Yes, whitchurch is Shropshire,
Can't find Ivy in 1901 either!
Lol she's got a good one here!!!!!

here they are in 1911 - it doesn't seem to help !

I can't find a birth for the daughter. I believe Whitchurch is in Shropshire.


WALTON, William Head Married M 54 1857 Blacksmith Liverpool VIEW
WALTON, Mary Emma Wife Married
17 years F 39 1872 Colemere VIEW
WALTON, Ivy Daughter F 12 1899 Whitchurch VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
34060 Reference:
RG14PN34060 RG78PN1965 RD621 SD3 ED33 SN114

Registration District:
Wrexham Sub District:
Wrexham Enumeration District:
33 Parish:
Wrexham Regis

Address:
20 Trevor Street Wrexham County:
Denbighshire

this is William in 1891 just for reference,

1891 Wales Census
about William Walton
Name: William Walton
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool

Civil parish: Bettisfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Bettisfield
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Ellesmere
Sub-registration district: Hanmer
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Walton 34

I saw that marriage but Jill thinks she is Mary Emma. Wonder where that comes from?

this is the marriage Janice...I'm looking too but not finding on 1901

Marriages Jun 1893 (>99%)

Walton William Chester 8a 644
Wynne Mary Chester 8a 644

When did they marry? I can't find a marriage or Mary in the 1891.