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I'm confused!

My Great Grandmother Letitia Mary Storr born in 1872, birth certificate records born Leather Lane, Holborn, London England.

1881 Census says born in Hatton Garden, London, which is near to the address given on her birth certificate.

1891 - Census says, again, born in Hatton Garden, London

In 1904 she marries my G-grandfather Robert Pinhorn.

On the 1911 census her nationality is given as being Irish.

I can’t have made a mistake surely? The names are unusual.

I’ve ordered a copy of her Death Certificate to see what is recorded on that.

Anyone have any ideas ?

Cheers

Paul

Perhaps her parents were Irish
You should be able to tie her up with the birth cert if the dads name agree on the marriage cert

IF her husband regetered her death he may still say born Ireland if that what he believed!

Now i am confused cos that birth has her as Mary Letitia ??
Name: Mary Letitia Storr
Year of Registration: 1872
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Holborn
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 626

she isnt Storr she is Hoather
Name: Robert Horatio Pinhorn
Year of Registration: 1904
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Lambeth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 857
spouse Letitia Mary Hoather


no birth listed so could well be Irish

1911 census and her birh place is on the actual page as Irish

PINHORN, Robert Head Married
6 years M 42 1869 Carman General Southwark London VIEW
PINHORN, Letitia Wife Married F 39 1872 VIEW
PINHORN, Elenor Daughter Single F 16 1895 Domestic Servant Camberwell London VIEW
PINHORN, Ellen Daughter Single F 14 1897 Nurse Maid Camberwell London VIEW
PINHORN, Alice Daughter Single F 12 1899 School Lambeth London VIEW
PINHORN, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 10 1901 School Lambeth London VIEW
PINHORN, Fredrick Son M 3 1908 Lambeth London VIEW
PINHORN, Violet Daughter F 0 (6 MONTHS) 1911 Lambeth London VIEW
HOATHER, May Stepdaughter F 10 1901 School Barking Essex VIEW >>>>>>>>

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2106 Reference:
RG14PN2106 RG78PN73 RD25 SD5 ED7 SN318

Registration District:
Lambeth Sub District:
Norwood Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Lambeth

Address:
143 Lyham Road Brixton Hill London SW County:
London

NOTE the step daughters surname Hoather so she had a child before she married Robert

Would say the elder children are Roberts by a previous marriage in view of the birth years

so sorry seems you have made a mistake with her birth and maiden name

Hi Shirley

Thanks for all the information.

You are correct that her birth cert records her as Mary Letitia, father John Edward Storr, mother Letitia Mary Storr nee Lamb. I just thought the names had been transposed by mistake?

Again, I’m sorry I should have mentioned, Letitia Mary Storr was married to Alfred Edward Hoather before Reobert Pinhorn. Robert Pinhorn had been married previously too Rosetta Purkiss.

Your comments about the 1911 census record are correct.

Perhaps I having been barking up the wrong tree, perhaps the death certificate will hold the key?

Paul

Sorry to confuse things - Letita Mary's mother is Letitia Elizabeth Storr nee Lamb.

P.

1901 England Census
about Letitia Heather
Name: Letitia Heather
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Alfred Heather
Gender: Female
Where born: Tottenham, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Barking
Ecclesiastical parish: Barking St Margaret
Town: Barking
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Romford
Sub-registration district: Barkingtown
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 122
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Heather 39
Letitia Heather 28
Alfred J Heather 12
Victoria M Heather 3 Months
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
birth
Victoria May Hoather 1901 Jan-Feb-Mar Essex

AHH would have helped to know the additional info ,did wonder where you came up with the surname Storr. So Robert when he filled in the 1911 census was incorrect in her birth place as you have her birth cert to prove otherwise, Am back again to maybe there was an Irish connection in her family so he presumed.

Although she was reg as Mary Letitia maybe she preferred to be called Letitia or her parents called her that so she presumed that was her birth name.
Personally I wouldnt set too much store on the 1911 census as you have her birth cert and it all ties up

Hi Shirley.

Oops - yes I'm sorry about that. Again, thanks very much for your help and useful comments.

Even before I embarked on the family tree thing, there was talk of Irish blood in the family. I still have no proof, but these family stories normally have an element of truth in them somewhere.

Regards

Paul

Hi Paul, I always thought my Granny was Irish too.
In fact.... having eventually found her birth in DURHAM, I found that her father was Irish, but her mother was English.

THEN.... a new mystery which has haunted me for years now.... She has a name change and I cannot find out why.

She is born... TAYLOR
She is married TAYLOR
She is on my Granny's birth Certificate as TAYLOR....
Then she suddenly becomes WEIR!

I have all the certificates, and even phoned the Parish Register office and they sent me all the proof AGAIN... When did she become WEIR?

Did they do things like this to confuse us do you think? ;-0)
Because I am most definitely confused,
Deanna X

Hi Deanna

Glad to see I'm not alone! Add to that you can see Hoather is recorded as Heather and I have a Prytherch in my family that as been transposed in the census as Prytherk and Prychurch!

All good fun.

Paul

I'm not sure why but I thought the death certifcate would hold the key, there was no indication of where she was born recorded on it? I think I will stick with Shirley's advice not to pay too much attention to the 1911 Census and stick to the birth certificate data.