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"I,m a children's nanny my advice is ......IGNORE HER
The mum knows best and often has her confidence shattered by "stupid" suggestions from their midwives"
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I personally don't think the midwife made any stupid suggestions.
If she didn't relay the advice given she wouldn't have been doing her job to the best of her ability.

If something happened to the child like an infection due to the way it was fed, the midwife would have her head on the block if she hadn't advised the correct current way of feeding

As for feeding, a new first time mum starts motherhood often blind. relying on advice for non instinctive things such as bottle feeding.

I always put my pride aside & took any medical related advice which would benefit my babies, even if it upset or angered older women in my family

Advice from well meaning women whose children were not babies anymore, I leaned to take with a pinch of salt.

My Aunt told me off when I used to pick up my 3 week old baby when he cried.
And when I used to pick him up from his crib for a cuddle when he was awake.

"You will make a rod for your own back " she cried.
I never did, he grew up & was never clingy.

Or it was "Feed him every four hours"
(he used to feed every 2 at first) so can you imagine his distress if I let him cry ?

Just because advice worked when your children were small, doesn't mean its the right advice now. In fact old advice can cause problems which the well meaning person didn't have themselves but may have affected others.

People used lead based paint on their cots & thought it was fine till research told them different (same principle what was ok then, may not be now)

It doesn't mean the midwife is a busy body, & it doesn't make a hoot of difference if she had children of her own. Midwives are trained to do & say the same things with the mother and baby at heart, whether they are mothers themselves or not.

Finally Annie, remember your daughter may have the blues a bit, or may just be very tired so everything said may appear 100 times more worse than it actually was.

how can any health worker give good advice
if the have no kids of their own

beats me

Health visitor Heather did not have any kids either!!!

when i had stray they sent me a nasty midwife sister atkinson
she tried to order me around ---big mistake
so second time she came
i refused point blank to open the door
and told her to go away in an assertion way

later that day there was a knock on the door
and they had sent my very good friend sister Rose
so from then on i got Rose who was a darling
she told me sister atkinson has no kids of her own
and had not got a clue what she was talking about

I,m a childrens nanny my advice is ......IGNORE HER

The mum knows best and often has her confidence shattered by "stupid" suggestions from their midwives ...

Your daughter will meet many people who know best BUT the ONLY person who really knows best is mum ......That dont mean Nannys grannys dont know but again they can suggest in a much nicer fashion that the midwife

Good Luck all and loving your baby is the best dont take it to heart but listen ONE DAY she might (hahahahhah) say something useful

My son is tongue tied. Only problem he has is when eating a doughnut...cant lick the sugar off lol.Speech and feeding was no problemThey did say at the time it might need cut.

Making up one bottle at a time is now the guideline.


World Health organization (WHO) Guidelines for the safe preparation, storage and handling of powdered infant formula.

Powdered infant formula (PIF) has been associated with serious illness and death in infants due to infections with Enterobacter sakazakii. During the production process, PIF can become contaminated with harmful bacteria such as Enterobacter sakazakii and Salmonella enterica. This is because, using current manufacturing technology, it is not feasible to produce sterile PIF. The WHO was requested to develop guidelines for the safe preparation, storage and handling of PIF and these were based on research evidence presented at two international expert meetings. These guidelines are considered to be a generic document that will provide guidance and support for countries and governments. However, they can also provide useful information for infant feeding specialists and those caring for new mothers, who may require additional background information into the recent change in recommendations for the making up of PIF.

http://www.babyfriendly.org.uk/items/research_detail.asp?item=468


Differences in the volume of water used and time spent cooling can prolong the survival of potentially harmful bacteria when reconstituting powdered infant formula

Following the change in guidance for the reconstitution of powdered infant formula (PIF) (reconstitution of PIF with water no less than 70°C and using within 2 hours) research has been carried out by scientists at Nottingham Trent University into the risk associated with bacterial survival and subsequent multiplication following reconstitution at 70°C guideline. Reconstitution using water which had been boiled and left for 30 minutes resulted in temperatures ranging from 46°C to 74°C depending on the volume of water boiled. The researchers found that boiling 1000ml of water gave temperatures on average >70°C after 30 minutes. Therefore differences in the volume of water boiled and time spent cooling can prolong the survival of potentially harmful types of bacteria.

They found that, in general, bacteria had similar growth rates in whey-based infant formulas compared with casein-based infant formula. However, in whey-based infant formulas bacteria were more heat tolerant. The differing strains of bacteria reacted differently to heat with salmonella being one of the most heat tolerant and Enterobacteriaceae sakazakii being able to grow at 44°C. A variety of differing scenarios were tested. For all strains bacterial growth was predicted when 2 of the following scenarios occurred simultaneously: 1 hour preparation time at room temperature (20°C), refrigeration (4°C) for 6 hours, reheating to 37°C, and feeding within 30 min (37°C). The researchers state: "It's important to recognise that different practices do exist for preparing baby formula, and that these practices can have an effect on bacteria being present. Our research has helped to better understand this and will inform guidelines aimed at avoiding dangerous incidents of infection."

http://www.babyfriendly.org.uk/items/research_detail.asp?item=640&nodeid=

I've got to agree that midwives have to advise the latest health advice as instructed.

I just can't understand why you can't make up a few bottles in advance cool them quickly & put them in the fridge.

But obviously since I had my daughter 11 years ago new research has come in, so this is the best and safest advice they can give & I for one if in that position would follow it..

I would imagine nightimes are horrific, when you are tired & baby is tiny & waking every few hours. Having to warm up a bottle is bad enough during the night, but to do it from scratch with a crying baby & bleary eyes PHEW !.
When tiny son 15 & 3 weeks early, would go every 2-3 hours at first, & often took nearly an hour to get anything down

& what happens when you go out for a few hours to the shops ? Do you have to take it all separate to mix, or have to buy ready made ?

Ready made is ok now & again, but due to expense it can hardly be used by many long term (during the night & on trips out)

Either way I would do as advised. My babies were ok with made up bottles in advance, but others may not have been. for whatever reasons.

Maggie,thats awful.Dau has only one more visit from her on tuesday.I am going to try and be here.Think this one must be from my mums era lol.My eldest dau seems to think its because they are young she had a go,who knows but there was no need for it.I showed dau how to bath him and she wanted to know if it was a full bath?She was not too happy with that either. lol Annie

I stayed in hospital for 8 days with my eldest, she never lost any weight after she was born, and I was also 'feeding' the prem unit with my excess milk, so I still don't know why the health visitor, on her first visit to my home insisted I 'unlatched' my eldest, so she could see if I had enough milk!
She tweaked my nipple - and managed to ruin the wallpaper on the other side of the room!!
I just glared at her and asked if there was anything else she 'needed' to do, as I wanted to get all the clearing up from her visit over in one go.
I also informed her that that was the last time she would be allowed to touch me without being invited.
'In future', I suggested 'You look at my notes before thundering in'.
She also didn't like the fact that I lay my baby on her side, not on her front (the 'way' to do it at the time). I pointed out that - due to my havng so much milk, she 'overfed' and 'glooped' the excess out. If she was on her front, she would be lying in it. (Goodness knows what would have happened if she'd been laid on her back!)

I had a different health worker next time.

As others have said - your daughter knows her baby best. Prepare for the visit - then carry on as she feels when the woman has gone!

My daughter had awful problems breast feeding her third child. Infections, nipples detaching etc. she asked the health visitor if he may be 'tounge tied' - 'Maybe' was the reply - no advice - nothing!

The baby is now 6 months old - is big for his age, and up until 3 weeks ago was purely breast fed - and has a forked tongue - definitely tongue tied - but my daughter now doesn't want anyone near him with a scalpel. She may have thought differently 4 months ago!!

My daughter is nearly due and has had a few hospital stays due to complications in her pregnancy. Most midwives are fabulous but the odd one is horrid.
Your daughter knows her baby best so my advice is to continue what she is doing now and just say yes and no to her midwife.

Alyson

good hun, no one knows your baby other thn yourself, as you will no,

sounds like mum and baby are doing brill xxx

Stray thats what she is doing.She has a lovely contented baby.I do hear him in the night lol but they are quick to sort him. Annie

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the thing is health visitors need to go on the rules of advice there given silly i no as most have had children and do the best for our children, but she has guidelines she has to follow unfortunatly, as daft as they seem to us, she has to go by what she is told and the "new advice"


tell daughter to listen to her then do what she feels is right, i no i did with my health visitor

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He has got his scratch mitts back on as his face is a mess lol He also has a cardi on now as well as 2 thin blankets and i think they have done a very good job getting up a few times in the night with my dau having a infection as well. Not happy with her and wished i had been here.Eldest dau heard her and wanted to go in there but middle dau see sense and said let her talk away and sis can just do what she is doing.Bit frightened though. Annie

I agree with Chris - tell your daughter to listen and nod and then do what she feels is right. The baby sounds like he's doing just fine and I'm sure with the family support she's getting she's going to do well.

S x

Hello Annie ,
Sorry to hear that your daughter and her partner had an unpleasant midwife visit . I hope you have been able to reassure her that she is doing ok with her baby . As you say , the fact that the little one is back to his birth weight shows that they are doing a good job .

My daughter's health visitor needed shot. A first time mum she would ring me then her mil we found out we were giving her the same advice and then she would say I need to ask Heather - I can still scream at the thought of it and the baby is 24 next month!

Know it is difficullt tell daughter to agree with her whilst she is there and then ignore her advice when she goes. If baby has regained his birth weight he is doing fine.

until today.My daughter who had a baby early hours of last sat morning had a midwife here today.I was at work but her oh and my other 2 daughters were here.She came straight in and asked both my daughters to leave the room.I can understand that.Then took babys scratch mitts off and dau was told he will soon learn not to scratch himself.He had a thin blanket round him and another one over him.No cardi.No heating on.Was told only one blanket.Told only to make one bottle when needed and not the days.Not to be warmed.Told them both she will send some pamphlets on feeding.Baby weighed 7lbs 9 ozs the same as last sat morning when he was born.They must be doing something right and i am so angry to come in and upset 2 first time parents.Annie