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Thanks Florence for searching....you can see my dilemma.......

Had considered she may have remarried but was in her 60`s ...not impossible, Charles was on a Pension from the Railways...would`nt that have then gone to her as a Widow? ..if so i doubt she would have remarried as she would then have lost the Pension.

Yes the marriage is registered as Francis on the GRO...I got the cert, through Lancs BMD and they have it correct as Furniss...theres nothing i can do about the GRO entry being wrong.



Thanks for looking


Eddie...Yes thanks for that, i have looked countrywide not just focusing on Lancashire and south London, but still no luck.



Nicky

hi nicky, sorry i didnt get back to you yesterday. i had quite a search around and can see why you are so frustrated at not finding her. one thing i found on free bmd was under her maiden name, it gives her marriage to charles as francis not furniss/furness!! i think it is probably mis read.

just a thought but would she of remarried someone else, if only for a short while. my own gr grandma did just that and nobody knew about it. she was only married for 4 years until she died. some kind person found that info for me on here.

so hopefully she will be found, just have to be patient. will keep on looking and get back to you
happy searching
florencex

I have a number of deaths in my family that were registered many miles from where the person lived. For example a death in Croydon, Surrey, registered in Devon, another in Horsham, Sussex registered in Sutton, Surrey. There are others. This has happened simple because the office was closed and the person going to register the death had to be elsewhere.

Thanks for those Shirley ..will look in to them further when i have time later.

The Furniss/Furness name seems to be very popular in the Derby area...Charles was born there, i will take a look at 1911 and see if theres a Charlotte Furniss of that age in derby then and then see if I can eliminate her.
As for Emma ...her birth reg just says Emma but she may have been Emma louise...its a pity basic birth info dos`nt give their marital status..I have no idea of her birth date as she was grandmothers sister I don`t have the cert.....just try and always get them for the direct line.


thanks Shirley, certainly food for thought


Nicky

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Name: Emma Louise Furness
Birth Date: 1 Jan 1885
Death Registration Month/Year: 1978
Registration district: Newbury
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 19
Page: 0095

Name: Charlotte Furniss
Death Registration Month/Year: 1943
Age at death (estimated): 71
Registration district: Chesterfield
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 919
right birth year

nudging for Maurice.!!

Thanks Florence..


Her name was Margaret Ann Furniss{ could be Furness} nee Leslie born 22nd June 1849 in Little Bolton Lancashire.

She married Charles Furniss in 1875 when they already had 5 children and they lived in the Chorlton area of Manchester.
She appears as Margaret A or Ann on every census except 1911 when she is just down as Margaret Furniss/Furness
Husband Charles died December 1911, though there is no mention of Margaret on the death cert. Death was registered by his son in Law..

He was married to Dora my grand mother and they were all living together at Claremont Road Moss Side on the 1911 census.
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In 1922 my grandfather was Nateuralised { He was greek} and him Dora and their 5 children were still living in Manchester.

My grandfather died in 1926 in Brockley South East London where the family now lived...though not sure when they moved there.


Dora had living with her in London 2 of her elder sisters Margaret and jane, they both stayed with her until their deaths in the 1950`s, so feel if her mother had been alive then surely she would have gone to London with the family as well, but can find no death for her in that area either. I have never succesfully traced any of their other 3 children John william, Charlotte and Emma either after 1911 so theres a chance Margaret could have been with one of them.

so its a needle in a haystack...she may have died in the Manchester area, she may have died in South London, she may have died somewhere completly different...all I do know is that she was alive at the time of the 1911 census.

For reference..

FURNISS, Charles Head Married M 85 1826 Retired On Pension Derby Derbyshire VIEW
FURNISS, Margaret Wife Married
44 years F 62 1849 Bolton Lancashire VIEW
FURNISS, Margaret Daughter Single F 42 1869 Davenport Cheshire VIEW
FURNISS, Charlotte Daughter Single F 39 1872 Levenshulme Lancashire VIEW
FURNISS, Jane Daughter Single F 36 1875 Sewing Machinist Manchester VIEW
FURNISS, John William Son Single M 32 1879 Traveller Manchester VIEW
FURNISS, Emma Daughter Single F 26 1885 Manchester VIEW
BELLAS, Nicholas Isidor Son-In-Law Married M 50 1861 Accountant Constantinople VIEW
BELLAS, Dora Daughter Married
6 years F 29 1882 Manchester VIEW
BELLAS, Emily Granddaughter Single F 15 1896 Constantinople VIEW
BELLAS, Isidor Plemor Grandson Single M 14 1897 Constantinople VIEW
BELLAS, Sylvia Nina Lucy Granddaughter Single F 4 1907 London VIEW
BELLAS, Glory Margaret Granddaughter Single F 0 (JUNDER ONE MONTH) 1911 Manchester VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
23916 Reference:
RG14PN23916 RG78PN1380B RD464 SD4 ED51 SN172

Registration District:
Chorlton Sub District:
Hulme Enumeration District:
51 Parish:
South Manchester

Address:
33 Claremont Road Moss Side County:
Lancashire

Nicky

I found this thread very interesting.

My Dad died about 4 years back. Anyone searching for him in the future would probably look at his home town, Barnet, London, where he lived for many years, but they won't find him: he had gone away for a few days, was taken ill and died in hospital...... in Worthing, Sussex. No-one in our family has ever come from there so no-one would be looking for him in that district.

I put a really big comment about it on my family tree!

nicky would you like someone to have a search around for you,happy to help if i can. what was gr grandmas name and date of birth and any other details you have, area etc?

Sue, Christopher Frank Who??

Shirley,
Its a very odd situation. I cant ever remember his name being mentioned., but another bro.,who was killed in WW1 had alot of mentions from my Gran., There is only one living cousin, and she had never heard of him either, but he was present in 1901 and 1911 census forms.!!
Interestingly, a couple of nephews have been called Christopher, and another Frank, both his christian names.!! So I dont think he was a 'black sheep'.
One of these days ...............! Sue

Maybe your dads brother went abroad, lots did in the early part of 1900,s Or maybe he went to Ireland or Scotland which would be different records

Susan
Religion doest affect the records. All deaths have to be registered in order for a funeral to take place. Sometimes when there is an inquest the actual registration doesnt take place until the coroner authorises it and the informant will show as the Coroner

I also have had trouble trying to find death date of my Dads b.rother. He was present in 1911 census and the trail ends there. It has never come up anywhere at all.
I have heard that Non Conformist records, are not always on lists, due to being forgotton or damaged.
Sue

Was there maybe an inquest so his death registration wasnt til after the inquest.
A document would have been issued so the funeral could take place pre the Inquest.

NOPE !!! found him its 1985!!!
Name: Timothy Hunter Davies
Birth Date: 10 Mar 1967
Death Registration Month/Year: Feb 1985
Age at death (estimated): 17
Registration district: South Glamorgan
Inferred County: South Glamorgan
Volume: 28
Page: 2723

how old was he ??
is this one a possiblity
Name: Timothy Davis
Birth Date: 16 Aug 1951
Death Registration Month/Year: Apr 1984
Age at death (estimated): 32
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 37
Page: 818

will take a look Maurice

Shirley - Timothy Hunter Davies 26-4-1984 in south Glamorgan ?