General Chat

I am glad I didn't upset anyone by posting this thread but felt as you all seem to that tossing aside the two little baby boys was evil, it was murder really wasn't it, as there was no real reason why those children shouldn't have been born.
For all they know if/when they have a daughter, she might be a tomboy and not want to be a typical girly girl. What then? keep trying for a girl who will fulfill their criteria?

I hope their sons have lots of support from people who won't judge them and that they don't grow up disturbed because of their parents' wicked behaviour and attitude.

Rest in peace, little ones You were too good for this world.

Lizx

Its so sad. Many childless couples fail to concieve after going through IVF treatment and would be only too glad to have a baby regardless of its sex.
No way can it be right to abort 'wrong sex' babies.

Cath xx

I was born with a slight disiablity , I have three grown up daughters and I did not care what I was having has long has they where all healthy which they all were. That is the most inportant thing.

I feel terribly sorry for this couple but no way should they be allowed to have another child until they have had at least 6 months of Bereavement counselling.

This just reminds me of the 2nd World War when the little man from over the sea wanted the perfect race..

I lost my 1st son and yes I grieved for him but it didn't stop me from being glad that I went on to have a son (who was ok) and 3 daughters..

My first child had spina bifida, after that all I cared about was that the subsequent children were healthy.
These people need a good shaking.

RR,
you are absolutely spot on. Any daughter they may have will have a lot of expectations on her. I so pity the boys she has already.Like you said grief counselling is what they need first and foremost.

Cath xx

Oh yes Janet, I see now, I read it very quickly.

" "consumed by grief over the daughter who died soon after birth" and admits she has "become obsessed with having a daughter and it has become vital to her psychological health."" poor child if she has a girl, if it doesn't live up to expectations.

Are couples who enter ivf programmes not given counselling before entering the programme, couples who enter adoption and fostering programmes have to go through detailed assessments on why they want to adopt/foster, and i'm sorry but the grief of loosing a child would not make them a suitable candidate for such a programme, and just because an ivf couple choose to pay for conception help it does not make it acceptable to choose the sex of their baby.

Rose, my interpretation (and I may have misread) is the twins were conceived naturally not through IVF. I guess they don't wish to keep on conceiving and aborting boys and that's why they want sex selection IVF.

Imo the gender of a foetus, however conceived should not be revealed unless there is a sex specific disease within the family.

i think if you have children already , albeit the 'wrong' gender, then it is pure selfishness to say 'we want a girl/boy and we must have/ are entitled to'... that is how you chose cars not babies (imo)

Since they were aware they could not 'choose' under Australian law, they should either have accepted that or travelled to somewhere where they could.

They have also just sent out a message to their existing sons that boys aren't 'good enough' to replace a girl.
I think they need grief counselling not a baby.

I think this is so wrong they should be grateful they can have kids.

My partner and me have twins and one of the twins has got health problems from the moment he was born,hes got a heart problem and when he was born he weighed 1 lb 2 oz but me and my partner have had it rough on times but we would never have considered aborting.

On the surface I have no objections to people wanting to chose the sex of their child by IVF aslong as they are already on the programme or paying.

To abort twins because they are boys is wrong, although I dread to think how they would have treated them had they been born.
To try to replace a dead child is dishonouring the child they lost. I would imagine if they have a girl the poor child will grow up knowing she was a replacement not fair on the child really

Many people would be thankful of a child let alone 3. many would like to be on the IVF programme and it should be there for the infertile not because they want to chose the gender.

I appreciate that the IVF need paying parents to keep the funds up but they do push the waiting lists down for those who can't afford high fees and whose time for a child is running out.

Personally I think they are wrong and although I feel sorry for them for the loss of a much wanted daughter. I think that they should be thankful for the healthy children they have.

I can understand their distress at losing their daughter but it cannot be right to abort healthy twin boys because they are the wrong sex regardless of the fact that they already have 3 sons. All children are precious and should be treated as such not discarded in this callous manner. Quite honestly they should be thankful that they can concieve and produce healthy children. It must be upsetting also for the boys they already have. At the end of the day they can't get their daughter back and should be grateful for their lovely boys.

Cath xx

Couple Aborts Twin Boys Because They Want a Girl Using IVF



Just came across this while looking at something else, it makes me sick to my stomach and so angry with this couple.
Are they fit parents?

When I lost my much wanted daughter at 3 days old, I would have been glad to be able to have another child never mind wanting to chose the sex. Yes I wanted another daughter, not to replace my lost baby, but to know the feelings between mother and daughter. When I was expecting my son, I hoped I would have a daughter but after the initial surprise, I was glad to just have a baby again and altho on thorns for a long time, thinking I would lose him too, I was lucky and he is now 28. How can these people even be allowed to abort the baby boys? So wrong!
What do other's think?
(Apologies to anyone this upsets, if it's too bad for reading I will delete but won't be back here before Monday night.)

Lizx


Couple Aborts Twin Boys Because They Want a Girl Using IVF


The story of an Australian couple who aborted twin boys because they want to use IVF to ensure they have a daughter is attracting a lot of attention, especially among pro-lifers, and understandably so since the case seems to foreshadow an ethics-free future of eugenics.

But the couple, who want a girl to replace the infant daughter they recently lost, is so far still barred by Australian law from pursuing their quest for a female baby. The state of Victoria, where the unnamed couple lives, does not allow sex selection using IVF unless it is done to avoid the risk of the baby's inheriting a genetic abnormality or disease.

An independent group, known as the Patient Review Panel, recently rejected the couple's bid, so they are taking their case to the next level, the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal, which is to hear their arguments in March.

"After what we have been through we are due for a bit of luck. We want to be given the opportunity to have a girl," said the man. The couple already have three sons.

According to the Herald-Sun newspaper of Melbourne, which interviewed the couple, the woman, who is in her thirties, is "consumed by grief over the daughter who died soon after birth" and admits she has "become obsessed with having a daughter and it has become vital to her psychological health."

The husband told the newspaper that it was the couple's "right" to try this route. "It's ridiculous that sex selection is illegal, actually. For certain circumstances it should be legalized."

An Australian pioneer in IVF, Gab Kovacs, agreed. "I can't see how it could possibly harm anyone," he said.

"Laws should be made to protect people from things that are going to damage them. Why should we make this illegal? Who is this going to harm if this couple have their desire fulfilled?"

The couple told the Herald-Sun that if they lose their appeal they will go to the United States to conceive a girl. Unlike Australia and much of Europe, the U.S. does not regulate sex selection in embryos developed for IVF procedures, so couples from many countries come here to conceive.

If the couple does come to the United States, they could expect to generate as much notice as they have in Australia, even if what they want is not illegal.

When a prominent fertility clinic in California announced in 2009 that it would help prospective parents choose physical traits -- hair and eye color, for example -- as well as the gender of their child, it prompted so much outrage that the clinic was forced to put its plans on hold.

Sex-selective abortions also take place in some places in the United States, though the vast majority of Americans reject the practice as unethical, and because the procedure is often used to destroy female fetuses and preserves males.

That the Australia couple targeted their fetuses because they were boys certainly hasn't mollified American pro-life activists.

"[I]n a world where the IVF and sex-selection are technologically possible, the providence of God is not trusted, and laws pertaining to bioethics come to be based on what's possible rather than what's right, such battles are inevitable," Tom Crowe wrote at the web site of the conservative political lobby, CatholicVote.org.