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Hi there Martin .. I have just seen your posts regarding your Grandfather .. I believe that he was my Grandmothers brother .. A little complicated my side because I was adopted but have been researching my natural mothers family .. My Grandmother was born in 1883 in Fenton her mothers maiden name was Sarah Birch .. Don't know if will be of any help .. It appears that Walter Hayden lived with Maud and her husband Joseph Davies in Walsall Wood for some time .. Would be good to hear from you
Alex

Hi there Martin .. I have just seen your posts regarding your Grandfather .. I believe that he was my Grandmothers brother .. A little complicated my side because I was adopted but have been researching my natural mothers family .. My Grandmother was born in 1883 in Fenton her mothers maiden name was Sarah Birch .. Don't know if will be of any help .. It appears that Walter Hayden lived with Maud and her husband Joseph Davies in Walsall Wood for some time .. Would be good to hear from you
Alex

Hi there Martin .. I have just seen your posts regarding your Grandfather .. I believe that he was my Grandmothers brother .. A little complicated my side because I was adopted but have been researching my natural mothers family .. My Grandmother was born in 1883 in Fenton her mothers maiden name was Sarah Birch .. Don't know if will be of any help .. It appears that Walter Hayden lived with Maud and her husband Joseph Davies in Walsall Wood for some time .. Would be good to hear from you
Alex :-)

Thank you All
The information you have provided has been invaluble and enabled me to expand my search further.
Thank you again,
Martin ;-)

Martin

Have got father of your Alfred Henry as Walter born 1848 Tardebigg - variously a farm bailiff and a pit sinker and latterly an undergound hewer.

Walter was son of Elijah born 1823 Tardebigg and bt 4 Jan 1824 at St Bartholemew, that lovely parish chuch on the hill in Tardebigg that you can see for miles and miles. Parents John and Elizabeth.

Elijah not at home in C1841 but this will be parents at Banks Green Farm, Webheath, Tardebigg, Worcs:
John HADEN, 55, farmer, not born in county of Worcs
Elizabeth, 50
Sarah, 15
Thomas, 13
Henry, 5
All born Worcs apart from father John

Marriage of John HADEN seems to be at St Barts in Tardebigg on 31 Dec 1810. To Elizabeth DUNN So there may be older children than Elijah. But probably all on Tardebigg registers.

Remember visiting Rowley Regis. Huge parish. I was looking for a hamlet called Slack Hillock. It was one of those canal viillages like California. A pub and a few houses near one of those "legging" tunnels. I think canals msut have been as busy as the M6 in those days.

Slack Hillock's pub is now called the Sportsmans Arms. And there is another hamlet in Rowley parish called Haden Hill :-)

But Tardebigg is a beautiful church and village, Martin. What a place for your family to have come from (possibly).

Grandfather Elijah married Ann STANTON in June 47. Children included:
Walter June 1848Q b Tardebigge (Bromsgrove RD)
Mary Elizabeth Dec 50Q b Tardebigge
Alfred Mar 59 Tardebigge
Albert June 61 Tardebigge
Andrew June 63 Tardebigge
Elijah 1865/66 Tardebigge
Thomas 1869 Rowley
Francis 1870 Rowley

In C1871, living Church Row, Rowley:
Elijah HAYDEN, 46, foreman roadman, b Tardebigg
Ann, wife, 45, b Tard
Walter, son, 22, s, farm bailiff & gardener, b Tard
Alfred, son, 12, b Tard
Albert, son, 10, b Tard
Andrew, son, 8, b Tard
Elijah, son, 5 b Tard
Thomas, son, 2, b Rowley
Francis, son, 8m, b Rowley

Think there may be other births and early deaths, but could only find Ellen (Dec 55 - Mar 66)

Martin, We need the info from the marriage cert in order to search for him with his family

fathers name and occupation plus names of witnesses would be great

without some facts to go on then anything found would be pure speculation

You say he was BORN Rowley Regis 1881

What documentary evidence do you have to support that as a fact?

It could be that his family came from their ? but he filled in the census form in 1911 and he stated that he was born Oldbury

Roy

Sorry about typos in last hurried missive. Hopefully you can understand what I thought I had put.

Cannot find William (7) of Alfred Henry (9) n C1891. They may be with grandfather - haven't checked.

Grandfather was Elijah born 1825 Tardebigge (wife Ann) who was still alive, aged 66, in Oldbury in C1891. Several children - including Walter 1848 and Francis John 1870.

Do you think this is family

C1881 Oldbury
Walter HAYDEN., 32, coal pit sinker, b Tardebigg, Worcs
Sarah, wife, 35, b Rowley
George, son, 10, b Oldbury
Mary, dau, 6, b Smethwick
Florence, dau, 4, b Oldbury
Elijah, son, 2, b Oldbury

C1891 Fenton, Stoke
Walter Hayden, 42, pit sinker, b Tardebigg
Sarah, wife, 44, b Rowley
Mary, dau, 16, b Harborne
Florence, dau, 14, b Oldbury
Elijah, son, 12, b Oldbury
Frederick, son, 9, b Oldbury
Maud, dau, 4, b Oldbury
Francis HAYDEN, lodger, 21, md, gen lab, b Rowley
Phyllis, lodger, 20, wife of Francis, b Oldbury
Francis, lodger, 1, son of Francis and Phyllis, b Oldbury

C1901 Walsall Wood (Occupation Road)
Walter HAYDEN, widower, 48, coal miner (hewer) b Worcs
Alfred, son, 19, single, colliery lab, B Worcs
William, son, 17, colliery lab, b Worcs
Maud, dau, 15, B Stafford
Agnes BIRCH, niece, single, 21, gen servant, b Worcs

Children after C1911 appear to be Ellen E (1912), Mona T (1914), Alfred H (1916), William R (1919) and Muriel D (1923). All born Pelsall or nearby Walsall Wood (Saddlers supporters).

Pit sinker must have been very well paid and extremely dangerous work.

this is also on Find Ancestors!!!

you have not answered the questions or commented on what has been found

that would be a start

Roy

Thank you to all who have replied.
Alfrd Henry Hayden was born 1881. Married Clara in 1903.
Children were Walter, Dorothy,Hilda, William, Mona, Alfred & Muriel
He came from Rowley Regis, near Olbury moved to Pelsall, Walsall Wood before moving to Hamstead

Do you have the marriage cert with fathers details? if not then you will need the cert to confirm fathers details

But the birth Lesley has posted is a possibility because their is a link between the Haden family and Rowley Regis

1881
Name: Abis Haden
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Haden
Gender: Male
Where born: Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Rowley Regis
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 34 Hackett St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: Subscribe now to see this information.
Occupation: Bricklayer

Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Rowley Regis
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2859
Folio: 18
Page Number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
Abis Haden 31
Elizabeth Haden 30
Josiah Haden 9
Esther Haden 7
Sarah E. Haden 5
Martha Haden 1




Roy

What do you think of this birth?

Name: HADEN, Alfred Henry

Registration district: [?] West Bromwich

County: Staffordshire

Year of registration: 1881

Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun

Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3

Volume no:[?]6B

Page no:[?]817

If he was born Oldbury as the 1911 says then his birth should be registered in west Bromwich and this is the nearest birth i can see

Births Mar 1885

Hayden Andrew Henry W. Bromwich 6b 833


Roy

1911 Alfred with a Clara could this be him???????

HAYDEN, Alfred Henry Head Married M 29 1882 Coal Miner Loader Oldbury Birm HM VIEW
HAYDEN, Clara Wife Married7 years F 28 1883 Pelsall Staffs VIEW
HAYDEN, Walter George Son M 6 1905 School Pelsall Staffs VIEW
HAYDEN, Dorothy May Daughter F 4 1907 School Walsall Wood Staffs VIEW
HAYDEN, Hilda Jessie Daughter F 1 1910 Walsall Wood Staffs VIEW

sorry posted the wrong census and now put the correct one in place of it for ref

Name: Alfred Henry Hayden
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Oldbury Birmingham, Staffordshire
Civil parish: Walsall Wood
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: Beech Tree Road, Walsall Wood, Nr Walsall
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner and Loader
Registration district: Walsall
Registration District Number: 370
Sub-registration district: Aldridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 218
Piece: 17204
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Henry Hayden 29
Clara Hayden 28 Birth Pelsall, Staffordshire
Walter George Hayden 6
Dorothy May Hayden 4
Hilda Jessie Hayden 1


Roy

????????????

1891

HAYDON, Henry Head Married M 54 1837 Blacksmith
Bristol, Devonshire VIEW
HAYDON, Ann Wife Married F 54 1837
?, North Wales VIEW
HAYDON, Anne Daughter Single F 22 1869 Looker Over Ward
Tunstall, Staffordshire VIEW
HAYDON, Mary Daughter Single F 17 1874 Warehousewoman
Chesterford, Staffordshire VIEW
HAYDON, Alfred Son M 12 1879
Goldenhill, Staffordshire VIEW
BARLEY, Alfred Son In Law Married M 32 1859 Gas Stoker
Tunstall, Staffordshire VIEW
BARLEY, Elizabeth Daughter Married F 32 1859
Tunstall, Staffordshire VIEW
BARLEY, John H Grandson M 8 1883
Goldenhill, Staffordshire VIEW
BARLEY, Sarah A Granddaughter F 4 1887
Goldenhill, Staffordshire VIEW
BARLEY, Alfred Grandson M 1 1890
Chesterton, Staffordshire VIEW

Piece: 2159

Folio: 63

Page: 25

Registration District: Wolstanton

Civil Parish: Wolstanton

Municipal Borough:

Address: 7, King Street, Wolstanton, Tunstall

County: Staffordshire

these are the only two births for him born abt that time

It would also help if you had given his full name

Births Dec 1876

Hayden Alfred Harry Gloucester 6a 309

Births Jun 1885

Hayden Alfred Henry W. Ham 4a 1

Roy