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"Wise man who knows his own father". Not sure of my mother either. She used to ride a bike ;-)

I watched one program for a short time the other week where two women were arguing about whether they shared the same father as he had just died.

The woman "A " whose father it was agreed to have a DNA test to prove to the other woman "B" that they weren't half sisters. They came out with the results and it proved that they weren't half sisters. They went onto say that the man who had died could not be Woman B father.

My thoughts were , if the mother of Woman A had been promiscuous how did she know that the man who had just died was her father. It could have been that Woman B, who had been told by her mother that the man who had died was her father was in fact the real daughter and the other woman just believed she was the man's daughter because he had brought her up.

I think there is a saying about knowing who your mother is but you can never be sure who your father is.-j

Is it a big nose, Sue? I've got a shortish one with a bobble on end - so absolutely impossible for me to look down my nose at anything or anybody. I do sometimes frown round my bobble though :-D

I too wonder why they want to raise these issues in public Sue and can only think some of them may be wanting their '15mins of fame'.

Have a feeling that the producers put them in touch with folk who may be able to help them but not absolutely sure. It does make you wonder if they are exploited in some way though, as it must bring enough revenue in for the programme to continue.




No, don't worry, you haven't come across as looking down your nose at all :-D

Sue I agree It is not the participants that I have issues with but the way the way the show uses them to make a TV programme.

I think we watch it because it is road crash telly. Nothing to do with whether we lead better or worse lives. It is just so different.

I do hear people in pretty abject poverty and leading quite difficult lives saying that Kyle makes them feel better and they see that there are people worse off than them. But certainly not worse off in material terms.

Kyle himself was a gambling addict (hope that is right) and many problems within his own family, including drugs. So he very much knows which levers to pull to get to the root of problems. And there used to be a chap that used to take the more disturbed away and give them counselling help. Haven't seen programme for a couple of years, so might not still happen.

My gripe is that it's all shown on the television. I hope I haven't come across as looking down my nose at the way other people live their lives. As Cynthia pointed out there are many reasons why people live the way they do.

I try really hard to be tolerant of the way other people live because no-one knows what goes on behind closed doors and how people's family dynamics work.

Sharron. Bit before my time, Bedlam.

Don't think we necessarily feel superior if we don't live like that - just amazed that all our normal rule books for living contentedly are thrown out of window.

Chester Zoo would be a better analogy perhaps. And I wonder if they would pay to see how we live - watch us eat meals together when we can, talk in a friendly and quite way. Must be quite odd these days.

Paula and Cynthia - I certainly won't judge people's circumstances but it's the fact that they are prepared to show to the world all their problems. If their problems are so bad then it is sad. Do the producers of the show get them some help?

I must have led the same life as you have led Sue, and I have to say I am happy to have done so. I have only watched the show once and thought JK was a terrible man and seemed to incite anger and goad to get a reaction from some of the participants. He was shouting and stormed off the stage at one point. Clearly the people involved have serious issues, and need some sort of help, how sad the we have to resort to showing them at their lowest point in a very distressing situations in order to make a TV programme.

Cynthia. The family is at the root of all our solidity in society.

I have never known anything all my life than total communication, trust and love. Even when times have been exceptionally difficult at times of unemployment and pretty dire poverty. It is clear that those family qualities are rarer and rarer today.

I see so much in my "other" life (as you quaintly put it) that disturbs me so much. I see children swearing in front of parents, often swearing at parents. I see no family meals - just junk food while they watch telly or play games. I had better not continue, or I will get cross replies from those who say "I have no idea" :-)

Sue, I've caught some odd snippets from the JK show now and then and they nearly always leave me speechless.


The trouble is, some people actually DO lead that sort of life and many know no difference - I've come across similar scenarios in my 'other' life.


After my brain has unscrambled itself from the scenario presented on screen, I try to get to grips with the possible root cause of the problem. Some of it is obvious publicity seeking whilst there is also the possibility of learning difficulties in some of the folk.


Their upbringing could have a lot to do with things in that, this is how their parents behaved so they think it's quite normal to lead that sort of life. They have no other example to follow.


Others may simply have gone off the rails due to circumstances beyond their control or been led astray by dubious friendships.


So, whilst I am cringing and shaking my head in disbelief, part of me also feels a certain sadness for them in their situation.

That sounds about right, Karen. I have to say that I thought the audience egging on the 'participants' was ghastly. Does that happen of Jeremy Kyle too?

I can vouch for the fact that a young couple were on Kyle. They were quite violent and had to be kept apart.

Couple of days later I saw same couple in Daventry Town Centre all loved up and happy with each other. Suppose the fee and the night in a posh hotel helped them to feel angry ;-)

Sue, you said you don't get Jeremy Kyle in Aus but it surely couldn't be worse (than JS).
Aahemmm, it is.

The JK show is excruciatingly cringeworthy to the extreme. I cannot believe that people like his guests really exist. I like to tell myself they don't, but deep down I know they do :-(

A typical subject would be:- my drug-addict alcoholic girlfriend, just out of prison, has slept with my dad, her stepdad, the milkman, her brother's budgie, and my granny's cousin's son's bessy friend and now she's pregnant and says it's mine but i'm not sure if I believe her. I wanna bellieve her but something tells me she might be lying.

jezzas better springers fake :-D :-D

Certainly shows the worse side of humanity.

You told me you've been on Jeremy Kyle, Stray ;-)

i used to love watching jerry springer, till it got to silly, im marrying a horse, that sort of thing, now its hyped up rubbish, altho steve the security gaurd is pretty cute haha


i used ot love jeremy kyle to, till my life got to busy and now when i watch it im like pffffft, its rubbish haha

JK/JS pretty much the same but US have more freedom of high pitched expression,,,,,,arent they just cringe worthy,unbeliveable stupid people.


:-D,

I have, Linda :-\

Ann - I have to say that I sat with my mouth open for the remainder of the show :-0

I think most people would feel posh after watching that kind of show, Sharron.