General Chat

I think that works both ways.
Many low church services include things like the Lord's Prayer sung to a strange tune, unfamiliar "choruses" etc etc which can prove somewhat exclusive and uncomfortable for visitors.
Also, some churches will not in theory allow you to take communion if you have not been "born again", baptised etc.
So although some have pointed the finger at the catholic church, I think that all denominations have their problems and exclusivity

I am not really interested in smacked wrists from yourself John. I find your comments condescending....but hey Ho.....I suppose you have a right to post whatever you want.

Susan. I think your post is disappointing. I agree that whether priests or nuns are allowed to marry is a matter for Roman Catholics alone.

But your attitude is very insular and not ecumenical.
I dislike the fact that I cannot pray with my Catholic aunt because we have different prayers.
I dislike the fact that I am not supposed to take the wafer and wine during a Catholic mass.
I dislike the fact that I cannot take bread and wine in "closed" Protestant services.

For goodness sake, a Christian is someone born again who knows the blood of Christ applied. They can be Catholic, Strict Baptist, Congregational, Wesleyan Reform Church, Brethren, Quakers. It makes not a jot of difference to God - and should make not a jot of difference to any true Catholic or Protestant.

I think your point about lifelong vows for existing priests and nuns is a good one

John he hasn't resigned - he was effectively sacked

I am not going to read any posts. My thoughts on the OP are as follows.

I believe it is for the Catholic Church and its people to decide whether a Priest should marry or not, after all any others do not have the information needed to make such decisions...Leave it to the Catholics who's concern it is. the views of non Catholics is neither here nor there as far as.....'Should Catholic Priests be allowed to marry' as it wouldn't be them 'allowing' anything ...... in my opinion

2. My personal opinion is this. A Priest or Nun enters the church knowing that one of the vows is not to marry. If they don't like it they shouldn't make that vow, not try to Change the views of the church......simples.


yes, I know what the other vows are but that is not what was asked in the OP.

Shame that Cardinal O'Brien has had to resign today. Think no voting Cardinal will be present now in the Vatican from UK.

But the two major changes (not in bibical fundamentals but in church tradition) are:
1. A Pope has resigned - thus opening the way for this (to me ridiculous) idea that he is infallible to be rescinded.
2. Married priests is being discussed actively in highest levels of RC Church.

I think that is good for Roman Catholics and for closer harmony with other churches - particularly the Church of England.

If I remember sort of correctly from my early life,


"A priest doesn't have wealth of his own, and should devote all his time, and efforts towards his congregation.........so as he cannot afford the upkeep of a wife and family, he will never marry"

I know a handful of lay-people who should have never married - IMO.

And their families keep the local Social Services busy in paid employment.

Ahem.

Please.......calm down everyone. Apologies to OFITG for the way this thread developed whilst I was absent.


It seems that the fact that I am a practising Christian has led some to believe that I am a 'killjoy' who hasn't experienced 'real life'. Hahahahahahaa....oops.....'tis a bit early in the morning for me to be laughing hysterically.


As several of you are obviously close friends by the wording you use, so Sylvia and I are friends. I am well aware that she 'despairs' of me at times - in the funniest possible way.


Stalked? I would probably use the word 'pushed' in a very loose sense. I have been stalked several times in 'real life' and am well aware of how to deal with it.


It may be as well to note that I do not start religious threads - I simply join in as and when the topic interests me.


If others, who have little knowledge or experience of religion wish to jump in and pull something which I find very precious apart, then I have to stay true to my convictions and make my point.


Meanwhile, Errol - apologies. This has taken some of my time up and I have to take OH to the doctor's this morning. I will chat with you on the Christian thread as soon as I can make it over there. :-D

You are also more than welcome Hayley lolololol

Sorry thats my fault I thought you would of known I meant this thread I should of been clearer and will be next time Yes thank you so much Muffy :-D

Glad to have been of assistance :-D

thank you, Muffy


you are so kind and friendly to help me find that posting :-)

Hayley Empress of Drama Report 24 Feb 2013 17:53

For the past couple of weeks we have had threads onreligion such as same sex marriage, the pope and now this one and every time we have the puritans marching on them banging banging on their tamberines telling us what we can and cannot say, if you dont agree with their opinion you are sarky and a bully, its ok for them to have a SOH and post aggressive posts but low and behold if you reply in the same manner or even go near their christian thread and all hell breaks lose I was reported for posting a pancake reciepe for god sake the day before shove tuesday.

I do wish some people could see themselves for what they really are trouble causing stirrers, we all know the drill someone posts and in swoop the friends its old hat been seen a million times before to John's credit he does answer his crictics and speaks for himself not post and run like some blokesI have seen in the past on here.


**Hayleys post that she mentions..to save those who can't be a**ed the bother of scrolling back to look despite the time prompts*

and just what posting was that????


or do you intend everyone to search every possible thread that you have posted on to find it???



This is how my edited post now reads ............... just so you do not have to look down this page to find it.

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SylviaInCanada Report Edit Delete 24 Feb 2013 23:40

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GeordiePride Report 24 Feb 2013 23:35

Sylvia- I'm sorry but thats the way I feel about this situation and I will not change my mind.

GP

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there is no situation


you asked a very personal question about another poster on this thread


a question that has nothing whatever to do with the topic, or with any other posting


in other words, a completely unnecessary question



and you asked it of someone who will not be posting at this time of



which begs the question ..................




why did you ask it???????

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and, as I said, that probably better reflects the situation.





sylvia

I will refer back to my post on 24/02 @ 17.53 and will now add to the list stalking , I rest my little case :-D

YES YES I HAVE


oh no.......it was next door coming in from an evening on the lash.

Maybe he wasn't watching me after all :-S

Gordon Bennett!!!!






Has anyone seen him???

well as i don't make a habit of logging what folk say I have no idea if your edits have an effect on what I've written..but I will leave my comments to stand regardless.

By all means disagree but PLEASE can we stop with this bullying stalking over reaction nonsense and just take each post on face value and argue it out from there

I don' t necessarily agree with what GP put but to even ASK if he's stalking is a gross over reaction.

I have edited that post to more truly reflect what was said