General Chat

Liz, I am not condoning what that lad did but I can see where his behaviour came f.rom.

That was the behaviour of a hurt and devastated little boy who had not had chance to come to terms with his mother disappearing.

Sometimes abusing a child in some way can be just the beginning of several children being abused.

It's usually more likely to be a family member that abuses a child than a stranger, sadly enough.

I know of someone whose stepson at the age of I think 14/15 sexually abused and then raped his young half-sister, she would have been about 10 if I remember rightly. It was very sad, the lad had been left with his dad by his mother who I think disappeared, and then my friend met this man at Gingerbread and they got together, she already had a son just a bit younger than the one who abused. The child who was abused is the daughter of the two parents who got together. The lad had to be removed from the home, he had been very disruptive already as I think he had adhd but they had never expected he would assault his sister, or any child. He was put in a secure children's home or somewhere, can't remember now. I don't know if they are still in contact with him now, as this was several years ago and he would be in his early thirties now. It almost broke the whole family up tho.

So sad to think of an innocent child being treated like that by her own flesh and blood but happens far too often all over the world.


Lizx

Sexual abuse of a child/children can go on for years in a family without any of the children coming forward.

I know of one such family that the father sexually abused his children both boys and girls.and then one of the sons started abusing his nieces and then the other son started abusing at least two of his daughters.

The father of the girls found out his brother was abusing his girls and then started doing the self and same thing.

I only found out when one of the girls who was around 18/19 and she came and told me about what had gone on for years.

She told me that she wanted to go to the police and tell them what had gone on with her uncle and father.

I took her to the police and both girls were interviewed and they were told that they would have to go to court and face the abusers.

I told them that I would go to court with them both and stand by them all the way.

When we managed to get it in court the offenders thought the girls wouldn't turn up to give evidence well they got a shock as they were both willing to give all the evidence the court needed.

The youngest of the two girls was petrified he would get her in in the courthouse.

I told her they would have to get through me first meaning that I would have stood in front of her before they got to her and I would have actually used violence against them both if they did start any thing.
And of course they had police protection surrounding them.

But as soon as the offenders saw they were determined to give evidence they changed their pleas from not guilty to guilty.

The father was sentenced to 15 yrs and his brother to 14 yrs.

During the court case it came out that the grandfather(lads father)had also been abusing them as well.

Just a shame he had died before all this came out.

When everyone was leaving the court one of the girl cousins came charging across and started shouting at the girls and said
""so you had to open your big mouths and go to the police about the abuse do you realise that you have upset all your aunties"""

She was arressted on the order of the judge and taken away to wherever the police took her.
We wern't interested in where the police took her.

When we got out of court with the police,the police told us that the Grandfather had abused all his children from being very young and not one of the children dare say anything to anyone.

This abuse must have being going on in the same family for at least nearly 40 years and not a whisper of the abuse from one of them.

Now the parents /grandparents came from a certain county where seemingly sexual abuse of children/family members was rife.

And the girls are now fine after lots of counselling and love and care.

But I have heard that the uncle got married and has two children that the Social service are keeping their files on.

And the father returned to his 2nd wife and they had 4 children and the Social service are keeping a file on them as well.

I just hope that all the victims of any abuse come forward like these two girls did and they are so brave in bringing any abuse to the attention of police/counsellors/social services.

And all abusers no matter what abuse they have done get a long sentence in prison and not segregated from other prisoners.

Sorry it's so long but I needed to explain all what had happened.

Sharron, you are totally correct.

Parents are responsible for all aspects of their child's/children's upbringing and, as you say, any abuse is an enormous betrayal of that trust in any aspect of a child's upbringing.

Maggie, I can't answer that but I do hope that the judge has a
conscience, as he seemingly does not have a family

Allan, I wish someone would look at the judge's background and 'hobbies'!!
For him to pass such a lenient sentence is, to my mind, highly suspicious. Did he have some sympathy towards the parents, and if so, why?

Sorry to bring my own interest in here but I feel that any form of parental abuse is at least an enormous betrayal of trust.

My personal view is that narcissistic abusive parents are as bad as predatory paedophiles in that it is possible for a child to avoid a paedophile and should have the protection of it's parents from them.

So, who is to protect a child from it's parents?

All cases of sexual abuses are abhorrent, but in the Australian case, incest is totally abhorrent.

As a child, you expect your parents to be protective and nurturing.

In this case, both parents betrayed and destroyed their child's trust.

Both should have been charged and have been subject to the maximum penalty....to be served in the normal prison population!

For some reason the courts seem to place some emphasis on how long ago an offence was committed. When will they get it into their heads that the time an offence was committed has no bearing whatsoever on the issue.

In my view, if a anyone is found guilty of committing a criminal offence, it does not matter when it was committed, then a punishment in line with the sentencing rules in place at the time of the court case should be handed down, not those in place at the time the crime was committed.

Allan, how terrible. That poor girl abused by both parents, who have both got away with it.

It must have taken a lot of guts for her to come forward to say what had gone on, and then the judge kicks her in the face.


Will there be an inquiry about what the judge has done? It seems so wrong that it is almost unbelievable.

This "father" is not going to commit incest (i.e. rape this daughter) again, because she is now an adult. He was only interested in her when she was a child (pre puberty, it seems).
He has however been able to abuse her again with the help of the judge.

My thought go out to this very brave young lady.

Hall's arrogance when he stood and denied everything calling it spurious, etc etc made me sick at the time, he really thought he could get away with it didn't he?

I wouldn't want someone like him back in my life however long I had been with him, if his family have anything to do with him after this they are as bad as he is.

There will be others called to book that's for sure, hope they all get the come down too

Liz

You are quite right SueinL. I just had a google and it said these offences are not fuelled by sexual drive so castration wouldn't stop them, more's the pity.

His wife was by his side throughout his arrest and trial.

It should be noted that during the period he was denying his guilt he did find time to sign over all his assets to his wife.

Will she take him back ? Who knows ?

Theses sentences are never enough for the anguish and pain they cause to the victims.

That has literally made me feel sick to my stomach.
I have read all the report and he actually took the child into bed where her blasted mother was..

Something wrong with that mother and she should have been charged with conspiracy to helping him commit the crime.

Sick or what.

A petiton should be started to get that judge out of his job..

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Sadly, Sue, in this case the father said that the daughter's depression had nothing to do with him or what he had done!

Talk about no remorse!

Another young person's life ruined, Allan. Wonder what will be said if this poor young woman suicides :-(

I hope he rots in prison :-|

I do wonder if this kind of abuse is still going on to-day with so-called *celebrities* and impressionable youngsters? Or have they had a wake-up call with all the publicity over the past couple of years and decided to . . . mmm, who knows what?

If you think that justice in the UK is a farce look at the link below about a recent case in Australia

http://mobile.news.com.au/national-news/nsw-act/father-who-raped-daughter-9-let-off-by-courts-on-good-behaviour-bond/story-fnii5s3x-1226672815342

But even with castration done that won't stop them as they use their hands more than anything else.

So just keep them in the nick on bread and water and certainly no comforts for them.
I blanket and the hardest bed the prison service can find.

I would make castration a condition of any future release of any sex offender. I don't understand enough about these things to know if the urges to do these kinds of things are deliberate or can't be controlled ........so it is best if the urges are removed altogether! :-)