General Chat

Apart from myself, anyone else on here ever see the results of a suicidal hanging?

I appreciate it's a different subject & different circumstances.

Having read the autobiographies of Albert Pierpointe and Syd Dernley I wouldn't care anyway. I am too fat to hang, as, indeed, many of the modern population.

Before anybody shouts me down,it is stated in Syd Dernley's book that fifteen stone was the upper weight limit as there was the danger of decapitation with a greater weight.

Hanging seemed to me to be quite a civilized way of execution. Alright, you probably not choose to be hanged but it appears preferable to a twenty stretch to me.

I do agree D&C I worry about how much trust we blindly put in technology / forensics, how often has an expert stated that a child has been shaken to death and another expert completely refutes that opinion.

Have we really moved on that much from the ducking stool?

Moden Technology has been mentioned

Sadly we are all too full of the CSI programmes and think that all forensic solutions are infallable. These are the bane of current court cases, when the jury ask questions based on TV programmes!!!

DNA has been proved many times now not to be conclusive. Partial fingerprints attributed to the wrong person and the list can go on and on.

Get 10 people to watch the same crime and you will get 10 different scenarios and 10 different profiles of the perpetrator.

And never be British and picked up for a crime you did not commit in the US. All their shows have Brits playing the baddies and you are guilty until proved innocent.

This is such an emotive subject. One of the main arguments against the death penalty is the possibility that some of the executed people may be innocent of the crime. Personally I do not want the death penalty reinstated, though sometimes when one reads of the horrific acts carried out on the poor innocent victims I wonder what the answer is.

"bit like coming up big time on the lottery after you've died" (AnnC)

:-D :-D :-D Can you imagine. :-0 :-0

well further deviating from the main topic, the police now have ANPR - Automatic number plate readout - telling them if the car in front has any markers on it - they know before they stop it if it has no insurance, no tax, no MOT, or if the driver is disqualified, or the car is involved in drugs or any other crime - hundreds of cars are removed from the roads on a daily basis - and more power to their elbow I say - I pay my tax, insurance and have a valid MOT - because of those who don't pay insurance the rest of us have to pay hiked up charges to cover their shortfall

As for hanging, how many people have been posthumously pardoned after being hanged for crimes they did not commit - never mind what their crime, and some are heinous, hanging is not the answer - and a fat lot of good a posthumous pardon is when you are no longer here to hear the "good news" - bit like coming up big time on the lottery after you've died

Mayfield. Might be fun to have a thread about driving standards. They seem terrible to me and need to be improved considerably by old measures of Education, Engineering and Enforcement. In that order, not the reverse order.

But must not stray too far from the point of this thread which is capital punishment - even though I think a young mother picking up children from school, children not belted in and she drives away with a fag and a mobile phone should be punished very very severely :-( :-(

John you can't blame them, chances are they are drunk as a skunk so don't know what they are doing :-D :-D :-D

Mayfield. Accelerating very quickly with a phone in your left ear, no seat belt, a lit ciggy over your right ear, doing 50mph in all speed control areas - 20, 30, 40 - is not considered a crime in some areas of UK. Nor is having no tax, no insurance, bald tyres.

In fact, if you don't accelerate towards traffic lights that have just gone red and try to keep rigidly to speed limits, you are hooted at, tailgated and told you should drive at least 2mph quicker. :-0 :-) ;-)

I tend to feel that the main deterrent to committing a crime is the certainty of being caught and a suitable punishment of course.

Like most motorists I might just hypothetically (no on line confessions here!) stray over 30mph, the chance of getting caught is slim, if I am a fine of £50 -60 and points on my licence a few times in 30 - 40 years of driving ‘ain’t too much to bother about.

If however I knew that every time I went over 30 for more than 30 seconds it would cost me 50p, so a trip to the chippy might cost £5 in fines I might be more attentive to the Speedo and no doubt run over lots of pedestrians because I was not looking at the road but you get my drift!

BR. Trying to work out what conclusion your premise is leading to.

If someone rots for 40 years (with his Wii and colour TV) and then dies and is subsequently found innocent 50 years after the crime, it sounds like you would prefer he had been executed when he was originally found guilty :-S

I still don't understand why people see prison as being a comfortable life. I value my freedom and the chance to travel and spend time with the people I love more than the so-called luxuries of colour TV, video games and carpet on the floors.

It the verdict was proved to be wrong, they could be let out. If you hang them, that's kind of permanent

I'm in favour of hanging telephone 'Cold Callers' & also slow motorists who drive much too close in front of me.

That’s my pick & mix list for today.

they would claim their human rights
well waht about our human rights
to be safe in our own homes ;-)

Nope it'd be against their human rights to put them on rigs etc.

I'm in favour of hanging Child killers and paedophiles..........

Use the prison hulks like they did with the convicts in the 18/19th centuries...
Old ships not longer fit for sailing but out at sea...and no phones, TV,or contact with outside world.
Prison should be hard labour for the really bad offenders and not the easy life a lot have in there.

I've always favoured disused oil rigs - nice views :-D

I heard an interesting programme on the radio the other day, talking about what to do with long term prisoners, one of the guests, I thought had a good idea. Those who murder, serial killers and the like, instead of just leaving them to languish, pry into there lives, to see if it could be possible to find out why they did what they did, was it a mental illness, upbringing, something that they saw, something that happened to them, or were they born like that?

Fascinating stuff delving into why some people do what they do.

As for hanging, never ever will it brought back, and that's a good thng