General Chat

adelle


there are no earlier censuses than the 1841 ................ so you won't find any earlier records of who the Gills are living with.

It is likely to become supposition ..........

...... you need to look at Parish Records to see if you can find a baptism for Mary and Godfrey, and hopefully that will have the mother's name ........................ but not all early Parish Records do have the mother's name on them, only the father's name


If successful, then you have to try to find the marriage between the mother and father, to get the mother's maiden name. That means Parish Records.


Then you'd have to buy a birth certificate, if possible, for a child born after July 1 1837 to the Pearsons, to see what the mother's name is shown as on there ..........


........... if that is the same as the putative mother of Mary and Godfrey, then you have a possible match.

wow thats interesting


still its stopped me dead In my tracks as can't find any younger record of godfrey or mary living with any gills :)

good info thax sylvia

I hadn't noticed that Sylvia :-)

RR .................

yes, I did note that ........

......... I was just intrigued when I looked at the image and thought it worth posting that the Gills were not in fact living with the Pearsons, so had not apparently been taken in by them as adelle suggested in her OP.

Sylvia, except that on Godfrey's marriage father is listed as James Pearson? so seems a little unlikely that the two in 1841 are not somehow related?

Shepherd seems to have been a much more common given name than you might think. There's even a Shepherd Shepherd on freeBMD.

A different thought .....................



On ancestry ............ the 1841 shows as this

1841 Census

Name: Godfrey Gill
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Halifax
Hundred: Morley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Halifax
Sub-registration district: Rastrick
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1303
Book: 15
Folio: 20
Page Number: 4

Godfrey Gill 12
Mary Gill 15



When I looked at the image, the Pearson household was separated from the 2 Gills by a single black line

There was a double black line after Mary's name



The double black line indicates a separate house

A single black line indicates a different household within the same building .................... think of it in terms of "flats", or as was most likely in those days, rooms in a house.


The house where the Pearsons and the Gills were living appears to have a total of 5 different households living in it



All these were living in that same house, I have separated the names into the units indicated by a single black mark separating them, so I hope it is clear what I am trying to say! .................

Hannah Tyas abt 1761 Yorkshire, England Halifax, Yorkshire

Robert Buckley abt 1809 Yorkshire, England Halifax, Yorkshire
Emma Buckley abt 1827 Yorkshire, England Halifax, Yorkshire

John Walker abt 1801 Yorkshire, England Halifax, Yorkshire
Sophia Walker abt 1806 Yorkshire, England Halifax, Yorkshire
Sarah Walker abt 1826 Yorkshire, England Halifax, Yorkshire
Ruth Walker abt 1828 Yorkshire, England Halifax, Yorkshire
William Walker abt 1834 Yorkshire, England Halifax, Yorkshire
Eliza Hannah abt 1837 Yorkshire, England Halifax, Yorkshire

James Pearson abt 1811 Yorkshire, England Halifax, Yorkshire
Hannah Pearson abt 1811 Yorkshire, England Halifax, Yorkshire
Elizabeth Pearson abt 1834 Yorkshire, England Halifax, Yorkshire
Jere Pearson abt 1838 Yorkshire, England Halifax, Yorkshire
Shepherd Pearson abt 1841 Yorkshire, England Halifax, Yorkshire

Godfrey Gill abt 1829 Yorkshire, England Halifax, Yorkshire
Mary Gill abt 1826 Yorkshire, England Halifax, Yorkshire



Both Gills are old enough to be at work, and away from their parents.



It could well be therefore that there was no relationship between the Pearsons and the Gills ..................... just that the 2 Gills happened to have a room in the same house.

Name: Shepherd Pearson
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Gender: Male
Age: 0
Birthplace: Yorkshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Halifax
Sub-District: Rastrick
Parish: Halifax
County: Yorkshire

Name: William Shepherd Pearson
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1841
Registration District: Halifax
County: Yorkshire
Event Place: Halifax, Yorkshire, England
Volume: 22
Page: 252
Line Number: 31

thanx x

You can order the birth cert from the GRO online

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

so what do i do how do i get a record thank you

Can't find birth reg for Shepherd Pearson but wonder if it might be this one, would give you Hannah's maiden name if it is the right one.

name: William Shepherd Pearson
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1841
Registration District: Halifax
County: Yorkshire
Event Place: Halifax, Yorkshire, England
Volume: 22
Page: 252
Line Number: 31

i was referring to his marriage record he lists james as his dad so maybe its his mothers 2nd husband

It may not be significant but none of Godfrey's children was named James.

don't think Godfrey would call james his dad if he was his bro inlaw, so I'm thinking hannah married had Godfrey n Mary n then re married

hannahs children from another marriage maybe hummm

there is a marriage on familysearch for ,

James Gill and Hannah Rhodes,1819,in Calverly Parish West Riding Yorks,

both have Widowded against status.?

a James PIERSON Gill died 1854 in Manchester,

at least 2 James Gill married a Hannah in Cavelrey Parish,!
son of a son?

Looks like the age was rounded down by a lot for Hannah in 1841 this is Shepherd with mother Hannah in 1651

1851 England Census about Shepherd Pearson
Name: Shepherd Pearson
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Hanh Pearson
Gender: Male
Where born: Rastrick, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Rastrick
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image
Registration district: Halifax
Sub-registration district: Rastrick
ED, institution, or vessel: 2d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 51
Piece: 2297
Folio: 103
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Hanh Pearson 49
Elizabeth Pearson 18
Jeremiah Pearson 15 ( jere in 1841)
Shepherd Pearson 8
Alfred Pearson 6

possible marriage?

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 about James Pearson
Name: James Pearson
Marriage or Bann Date: 18 Mar 1833
Parish: Elland, St Mary
Spouse's Name: Hannah Gill

So could be that Mary and Godfrey were Hannah's children ( if she was older than 30) or her siblings.