General Chat

Paul, use the contact details on http://www.bhsproject.co.uk/index.shtml and ask if they have an email for Paul and if a message could be forwarded to him, and maybe also ask for a post to be put on their "seeking" page asking for info?

I've looked at the CWGC and though there are some deaths I don't feel any of them matches up...my thought would be, and it is just a guess, that James did perhaps disappear around the WW1 period, but maybe had not died?

If it were me I would have to buy that marriage cert to Rebecca and see if that James gives his father;s name and his occupation, and whether anything ties in.

Thanks Choccy - it's a possibility I suppose, although I can't get passed this school of thought that he passed before 1918. The war records that I've seen show quite a few James Joyce's but many have very little information that ties them back to specific people, i.e. no birth year, parents, birth place - all of which would help greatly.

Someone must know of his death. It's a quandary. :-(

:-D :-D

Beat me to it LB :-)

BURDEN - not Buxton as on 1939 Register


http://tinyurl.com/y9chb6sc


London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921


Name:Alfred Ernest Burden

Estimated birth year:abt 1892

Age:22

Spouse: Esthel Ann Joyce

Spouse Age:19

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:28 Jun 1914

Parish:All Hallows, Bromley By Bow

Borough:Southwark

Father Name:Alfred Burden

>>>>>Spouse Father:James Albert Joyce

Register Type:Parish Register

Think this is the Marriage for Ethel Ann and her spouses name should be Burden, the surname is not clear on 1939 Register

Name Ethel Ann Joyce
Age 19
Spouse Alfred Ernest Burden Occ Brass Finisher
Age 22
Marriage 28 Jun 1914, All Hallows, Bromley By Bow
Father's Name James Albert Joyce Occ Lighterman
Spouse's Father name Alfred Burden (deceased) Sailmaker
Witnesses Wm A Small & Rosina Jane Joyce

If Rosina Jane Northcott (Northcote) was indeed Rosina Jane Joyce, Perhaps this is the marriage of James Albert Joyce and Rebecca S(harpe) - after Rosina died in 1950 -


Marriages Jun 1952

Joyce James A Sharp Brentwood 4a 837
SHARP Rebecca JOYCE Brentwood 4a 837

Could this be the Ethel A Buxton that Choccy found in 1939 Register?

Joyce, Ethel Ann MMN Small J Qtr Poplar Vol 01C Pg 642

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London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911
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Name:Rosina Jane Small

Gender:Female

Age:9

>>>>>>>>Birth Date:28 Jun 1875

Admission Date:6 Jan 1885

School:Oban Street School

Admission Place:Tower Hamlets, London, England

Father: John Small

Notes:Oban Street School (0585) opened in 1883


1939 Register


Northcote Household (3 People)

6 D'Arcy Gardens , Harrow U.D., Middlesex, England

>>>>Rosina J Northcote 28 Jun 1875 Female Housewife Married 13 2
Albert Northcote 25 Jul 1886 Male Caretaker Aeroplane Drawing Officer Married 13 1
Ethel A Buxton 12 Apr 1895 Female General Servant Widowed 13 3


England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007

Name:Rosina J Northcote

Birth Date:abt 1875

Date of Registration:Dec 1950

Age at Death:75

Registration district:Harrow

Inferred County:Middlesex

Volume:5f

Page:339

Thanks patchem; I saw this also


Nyx - Thanks, this is great. How do I contact this Paul Burton? He's not the first person to suggest James died before 1918 but no one seems to know how or where, or has any proof. It's SOOOOO frustrating.

This looks like Rosina's birth:

Births September quarter 1875
Small Rosina Jane Poplar 1c 592

but she is recorded as born 1879 on 1939 census, so this might be her death:

Rosina J Joyce
Birth Date: abt 1877
Date of Registration: Dec 1959
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Honiton
Inferred County: Devon

Added:
That link gives her as dying in 1950? (But I cannot see it.)

http://www.bhsproject.co.uk/families_small.shtml

Not sure if this is your posting Paul?

It's a site I have used myself as my ancestors are mentioned there also.

Looking at it another way there are only two James A Joyce births within a few years either way of 1875, one being yours , the other in Leeds ( who married in Yorks).

Yes sorry I missed that one.

Nyx - what about James A JOYCE married Rebecca SHARP 1952 Brentwood, Esex

What happened to Rosina? did she stay here or go to Aus'?

Long shot regarding the Rebecca mentioned, there are deaths for a James A Joyce and a Rebecca Joyce in Rochford Essex of around the ages given on that travel record assuming they returned? .

Joyce James A 1876 1958 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Rochford
Joyce Rebecca 1883 1966 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Rochford, Essex, England

No apparent marriage, is it possible that James A left Rosina ?

Thanks greyghost - I don't think this James then is my man.

So many thanks for everybody who is helping.

A virtual pint of best to anyone who can solve this puzzle comprehensively.

Re birth year on Passenger list. They probably asked his age and took that from the year of travel 1949 - 73 =1876.

However if he was born in November 1875 plus his age of 73 = he would be 73 in the October that the ship sailed and not 74 until November 1948

The last UK address of the James and Rebecca on the Passenger list was
Wanderlied, Hazelmere Drive, Station Lane, Pitsea (Pitsea in the general area of Basildon, Essex)
They intend to reside in Australia permanently

Thanks Argyl/Gran - don't think this is the one then. I'm starting to think Australia is a red herring, although not impossible.

Doh! Sorry Kath - Nov 1875