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Murder most foul.

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Dermot

Dermot Report 30 Nov 2019 11:00

The evil of the monster masquerading as a human being in London yesterday.

Get rid of whatever separates human beings from being human. :-0

Island

Island Report 30 Nov 2019 11:09

Are you referring to the incident at London Bridge Dermot?
Of course he was a human being! What else would carry out such an attack?
To add further shock, this person is being reported as 'a convicted terrorist' who was 'out on license'. I wonder who will take responsibility for that?

Maddie

Maddie Report 30 Nov 2019 12:05

once a terrorist always a terrorist
lets bring a few more back, but of course they can be deradicalised can't they
this country is far to soft, hang a few as a warning maybe

Sharron

Sharron Report 30 Nov 2019 12:28

Even worse, he will be martyr now.

Rambling

Rambling Report 30 Nov 2019 13:17

I do believe people can be de-radicalised, if one doesn't believe in the possibility of change then we should just blow the world up now and have done with the human race as a whole.

'Radicals' of all shades HAVE changed, be that on a smaller scale moving away from religious extremism ( minus menace) , petty crime, to those who have shifted entirely from violence. It does happen.

Knee jerk reactions re hanging don't help as a deterrent if martyrdom is seen as a 'blessing'.


Barbra

Barbra Report 30 Nov 2019 13:45

Every Day an incident somewhere he should not have been released from prison but always another terrorist waiting we are living in an evil world . To many deaths Heart breaking solution more police. ???

Dermot

Dermot Report 30 Nov 2019 14:29

One of the heroes who helped to disarm the London Bridge terror attacker was a convicted murderer who slit a woman's throat.

He was on day release while reportedly serving the final days of his life sentence when tragedy unfolded yesterday on London Bridge.

RolloTheRed

RolloTheRed Report 30 Nov 2019 15:45

It is the western powers that planted dragon's teeth from Tangiers to Kabul. They are now reaping a bitter harvest.

And they have learned nothing.

" What are the roots that clutch, what branches grow
Out of this stony rubbish? Son of man,
You cannot say, or guess, for you know only
A heap of broken images, where the sun beats,
And the dead tree gives no shelter, the cricket no relief,
And the dry stone no sound of water. Only
There is shadow under this red rock,
(Come in under the shadow of this red rock),
And I will show you something different from either
Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
Frisch weht der Wind
Der Heimat zu
Mein Irisch Kind,
Wo weilest du?
“You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
“They called me the hyacinth girl.”
—Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
Looking into the heart of light, the silence.
Oed’ und leer das Meer."

from "the Wasteland" T S Eliot

Linda

Linda Report 30 Nov 2019 17:02

Before I'm shouted down I think there's 2 ways we can sort this out first bring back hanging or do what the Americans do and that is life means life, after all we are the laughing stock of the world o and also I think all our police should carry guns

Sharron

Sharron Report 30 Nov 2019 18:22

There are people serving whole life terms and those who are not are not, I think, are an licence for life and can be recalled very quickly.

I would not like to see all of our police armed and those who are required to reach the higher standards of training that are now expected of them. The less 'normal' are firearms the better, in my opinion.

Rambling

Rambling Report 30 Nov 2019 18:54

We are NOT the laughing stock of the world, ( and if we are it has less to do with our laws, and rather more to do with our politicians !).

If hanging had still been with us there would have been one less person tackling this terrorist to the ground. Most terrorists kill themselves or suicide by cop, so bringing back hanging would make no odds to them. Especially if they believe that their action is 'divinely sanctioned' and will be rewarded.

The 'problems ' with execution by the state are that

A) they don't always get the right person.
B) where do you stop? Is the abused wife who finally snaps and murders her husband to be hung first and "asked questions later"? . Is one murderer to be let off and one not? Is a murder commited as a 'crime of passion' in a moment of rage or misery, higher or lower on the scale than a paedophile's life of child abuse say?

and C) in the US states where they have the death penalty and are known to use it, there are still murders so it's not even a deterrent.

Life sentences meaning life I would certainly agree with, as with Hindley, I always thought that if she'd really repented for what she'd done and become 'religious' she would never have asked to be released.

"“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.”

Seems fair to me. What is certain is that it will come to us all.

Linda

Linda Report 30 Nov 2019 19:09

There are not that many people on the whole serving a life term and I think life should be a lot longer then it is now trouble is they can have anything they want in their cells these days my neighbour is a prison officer and he said its shamefull well to me that's not punishment.

As for all our police carrying guns it seems to work in most countries and I think most people who are thinking of carrying out crime would think twice this country as got to change its thinking and start acting strong and not only stand up to the terrorist but to all these people who are going around stabbing people to death, the parties makes all these promises in the lead to election then when they get into power nothing happens

Rambling

Rambling Report 30 Nov 2019 19:43



It is usually after the damage has been done that police get to shoot and we already have armed police on call ... unless criminals and terrorists start giving prior warning HOW is anyone to know that some whack job with a machete is going to run amok?






Dermot

Dermot Report 30 Nov 2019 19:44

State killing/executing just to prove to the electorate that killing is wrong seems a strange idea.

JoyLouise

JoyLouise Report 1 Dec 2019 08:26

Linda, I am not sure where you live but the consensus among UK police and prison officers, for a long time now, and barring the odd exception, is that they do not want to be made to carry guns on a daily basis. I, and others, think that it encourages even more gun use by the general public.

Our family has mixed reactions about the death penalty for murder, some believe capital punishment ought to be reinstated, others do not. Some believe it should be brought back for murder of police officers, prison officers and children but others would ask how you can value one life above another.

Most of us, I think, would question the soft touch as far as imprisonment and cells are concerned but some would argue that a prisoner needs hope, and it is easier for them to be contained by threat of loss of privileges.

It would be far easier if the number of police, prison officers and prisons was increased vastly but which government has done that in recent years?

In my opinion, I don't think I stand alone in saying that the shooting and killing of any terrorist in circumstances such as the latest attack is well-deserved. I can't see the point in being a dead martyr who is soon forgotten in the passing of time and whose life has not been lived, unlike that of older people who encourage them.

I think we are lucky that we live in a society that is gun-resistant and where that knee-jerk reaction following attacks has changed neither security force nor government stance.

Sharron

Sharron Report 1 Dec 2019 10:19

If prisons were run with no comfort or consideration for the inmates, do you think there would be enough money to pay, or even attract, staff to work in them?

JoyLouise

JoyLouise Report 1 Dec 2019 10:26

No, I don't Sharron, because the prisoners would have nothing to do but ..... not hard to guess what things they'd get up to is it?

Bobtanian

Bobtanian Report 1 Dec 2019 10:45

Joy Louise, I beg to differ...
"the general public do not carry guns"

It is only criminals that carry guns in public...


there is already a hand gun ban that apparently only applies to the law abiding shooting fraternity.and we guard our privilege of our licences sincerely.....

criminals , well....are criminals...say no more

Barbra

Barbra Report 1 Dec 2019 11:53

We don't want guns on our streets .it's knives being used for these Attacks police have guns when needed but where is the solution .why don't politicians get together on this
Its affection the nation not political followers get round the table talk to each other including military advisers military style prisons stop being so soft more police on the streets be seen no use pussy footing around. To many have died RIP .

maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 1 Dec 2019 12:27

One of the problems is, I believe, cuts to the prison service.
There used to be a basic form of education in prisons - Maths and English up to GCSE level - even such basics as teaching some prisoners to read and write, thus ensuring, when they were released, they had some hope of getting a job.
These have been cut - as has the number of Warders.
So, instead of socialising and learning, the prisoners are kept locked up, or stay in a communal area - where radicalisation and bullying can take place..

Some prisons are now run by private companies - Winchester is a case in point.
Since 'privatisation' of the prison, there gave been riots, break-outs and deaths.
After the death of an obviously mentally unstable prisoner in 2017 (the 9th death since 2014) the prison employed an extra 124 - that's 124 prison warders - which shows just how understaffed they were!

The lack of mental health provision both in the prison service and in general has fallen dramatically too - which has led to more people being imprisoned for the wrong reason - they should be in an enclosed mental health facility.
The Probation service has also been cut - so there are fewer people to keep an eye on, and assess, recently released prisoners