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Hi Pat,

Sometimes a bit of sideway searching can throw up a lead,,,,,,any brothers or sisters cant be looked for or found till Frances and some of early background or yours and hers can be established,,,,,if its too much just say and we'll take a break,,,,,,,or send any details you would rather not put,by the PM message system,

Was Nan Mrs Shepherd or another surname.

Yes its these fibs that need unravling if possible....

Penzance place Notting hill.

Patricia, where was May living when she died in 1969 ? the reason I am asking is that if I find her full name, I can look on the electoral rolls in the 40s,
it may help locate where Frances may have been living before she had you and who with :-)

May died in 1969. I have spent many years when i was a lot younger finding out about the Shepherd's and my blood is not the same. They told a few lies to keep me, but that was all. My wish is to know who my sister his or was and her family, the older you get the more it hurt's. Did my mother go back for her if she did why not me.Does she look like me are there more brothers and sisters. When your young you hope it wont hurt so much when you old,but it's more.

Could you tell me perhaps how old May Shepherd was, when you lived with her or if you know, when she died? it just might help to fill out the background.

Patricia I'm sure no one is suggesting for a moment you are making anything up, what I believe people are trying to say is that since you have only been 'told' what happened when you were a baby no one can be sure of accuracy?

The more info that can be found the better the chances of helping, even if it is only to eliminate 'possibilities' :-)

I don't under stand you,every thing i say is as i know it. I am not making it up.

Kay???

This is totally my thoughts and your experience will help if Patricia does pm you with the facts so far. Specific questions need answers first before we can move on to help.

Patricia - go with Kay???? and she will keep the thread informed of what transpires.

This is just not adding up at all so.

Well done Kay????

Sappho

As Margaret M Sullivan is such a common name not just in Ireland but world wide,,,,,,its a needle in a haystack,,,,,,

Perhaps a little nearer to home story would give some leads,

If Patricia would like to do a one to one via message with somone to give some facts what shes got from the authorities,,,,some things are just not adding up ,as back in her babyhood to abandoned a baby was a criminal act and no Welfare(as it was then) would have returned a child to its mother for her then to repeat the process.

And for no officals to be involved till aged 11,would not have been possible.school records,doctors medical records,would have all needed some guardianship..and as it appears *Nan* had not been appointed that status by the authorities,,,,,

Plus how did Nan register the birth using her own maiden surname,?what addressses did she use,,,did *Nan* have a husband.or other children of her own.?

all these details help build up a better pitcure as to what may have happened ,as what Patricia was told by *Nan*I'm sure isnt 100% spot on.and a little search into Nans background may reveal something.?

As with the little information Patricia has given its like chashing a dogs tail and not getting her anywhere.

Hosiptal records,,,,,,info can be got under the Freedom act if they contain details about you.closed hosptials records are archived and London Metropolitian Archives hold lists.

I have sent Patricia details on and where to obtain a cert in Ireland.

Also,

Look at the two that Kay???? mentioned above. Go over what has been added to this thread - there is a lot to see for you. Kay???? will help you on where she located those.

Sappho

I'm not as experienced as most helpers on here so advice where to go for the birth certificate may need to come from someone familiar with Irish Birth Certs, but I do think this would be a good idea.

For the marriages go:http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

as suggested by patchem above. Look also at her comments on the marriages again worth following up. These are leads that need to followed to be eliminated or investigating further.

It's a slow slog I know, but bit by bit you can find out what is relevant and what is not.

Keep at it.

Sappho

Thank you. not sure where to go from here, some one suggested looking for Margaret's birth certificate. How much information do i need to look? I think the 2 marriages in London.1949 and 1951 seem worth following. Never got as far as this before.

Patricia,

Stick with it or it will never be solved and will haunt you.

So go with Margaret if you think this is a connection. It is how you handle any communication coming forward. If Margaret M Sullivan seems to be a lead do you have any way of tracing this person as she does not know about you. Have you looked at search trees for such a named person? She may be looking for you!

Don't get ill with worry - you have made it this far so stick with it. Helpers here will be looking to you for guidance to help you. Whatever you do - do not give up as it is not good to come back again as helpers will then have to start again from the beginning.

We need your help to help you.

Good luck,

Sappho

Sappho. Thank you for help, need all i can get. Both the 1949, 1951 could be her after she left me. 1948 not the same Shepherd. Feeling very edgy about Margaret M Sullivan. July 1946. in Clonmel. Her mother's maiden name Sullivan. I have tried on and off since i was eleven to find out , i don't believe she would know about me. I gave up my last search a couple of years a go, because it made me ill.

Hi Patricia,

Kay???? gave you some Sullivan marriages with names connected to your Shepherd name - have you been able to follow those up.

Some questions on here - any chance you could come back with some pointers.

Thanks,

Sappho

If you believe that Margaret M Sullivan is the older sister you could apply for her birth certificate for more information.

Been trying to trace some of your suggestions, very hard when your not good on the computor. one very interesting item, Margaret M Sullivan. born July 1946. Clonmel, Waterford. Mothers name Sullivan, not been able to find her first name or any other details. Not sure where to go now.

Was the child that was born 2 years before you a girl or boy? I have found a baby in 1946 Sullivan and mothers name Sullivan very near Waterford. Not knowing Ireland very well.

And when and where did she die?
Thank-you

Added:
And where did you live as a child - street name?
Thanks