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So with a combined effort we all got there ,team work I call it lol :-D

Think the only way further back would be to get the marriage certificate to find father's names. Although Cronan isn't that common, there look to be 2 Margaret's born in Liverpool, one was with her parents & the other in an industrial school in 1881.

This one was in Preston by 1891, but I've no way of knowing which she was:

Margaret Cronan
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Preston
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Preston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Preston
Sub-registration District: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3440
Folio: 147
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
George Parker 22
Richard Parker 20
James Bamber 24
Mary Ellen Bamber 24
Maria Pollard 59
Cora Pollard 3
Margaret Cronan 19

Death

Name: MATTHEWS, James P
Registration district: Liverpool South
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1965
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death:57
Volume no: 10D
Page no: 594

Typical, they married in the reg office or non-conformist (maybe Catholic?) - so probably won't show up on Lan-opc - none of the children's christenings show up

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1895
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CRONAN Margaret MATTHEWS Owen Preston Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston PRESTON/104/107

Death

Name: MATTHEWS, Thomas W
Registration district: Preston
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1911
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death:0
Volume no: 8E
Page no: 754

I was on the wrong track.....................searching for the forenames as given, which are not as registered

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1902
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MATTHEWS John St John Preston CRONAN ST.J/42/43

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1903
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MATTHEWS Owen Humphrey West Preston Preston CRONAN WP/1/27

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1905
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MATTHEWS Mary Josephine West Preston Preston CRONAN WP/4/4

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1907
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MATTHEWS James Patrick West Preston Preston CRONAN WP/7/87

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1909
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MATTHEWS Frank West Preston Preston CRONAN WP/11/4

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1911
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MATTHEWS Thomas Wilfrid West Preston Preston CRONAN WP/13/3

OK, it's defo CRONAN:

Margaret reg 1900
John 1902
Owen Humphrey 1903
Mary Josephine 1905
James Patrick 1907
Frank 1908
Thomas Wilfrid 1911

All with same MMN

So I think you found the right marriage Shirley!

Shirley maybe you weren't missing something, I was rather doubtful about the birth posted for Frank (wrong year) and Grace Mary as they claim not to have lost any children in 1911.

If this is their Owen (Humphrey) posted by Reggie, then the mmn is Cronan

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1903
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MATTHEWS Owen Humphrey West Preston Preston CRONAN WP/1/27

I'll check out the other children on 1911 and see if any more are possibly born with the same mmn

Elizabeth clearly didn't see ANY of the info..................

No I missed it flip.
Didn't realise the significance of the Warburton. Thought it was an area :-(

Am I missing something here - Reggie has found the mmn from the Lancashirebmd site, which transcribes it for many of the parishes. WARBURTON

Have noted ,rather late!, that daughter Annie was born in Ireland so maybe Owen & Maggie married there too

Name: Owen Matthews
Birth Date: abt 1869
Date of Registration: Jun 1941
Age at Death: 72
Registration District: Preston
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 1005

Name: Margaret E Matthews
Birth Date: abt 1870
Date of Registration: Jun 1945
Age at Death: 75
Registration District: Preston
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 492

Births Dec 1912
Matthews Agnes Cronan Preston 8e 963
Matthews Hilda Cronan Preston 8e 963


Deaths Mar 1914
Matthews Hilda 1 Preston 8e 888

??
Marriages Dec 1895 (>99%)
Cronan Margaret Ellen Preston 8e 1051>>>>>>
Gornall Mary Preston 8e 1051 Scan available - click to view
Matthews Owen Preston 8e 1051 >>>>>>>>>>>>
Saint Annie Preston 8e 1051 Scan available - click to view
Stone Albert Edward Preston 8e 1051

Is it Margaret s maiden name you cant find?

any of the children s birth certs will give you that

Perhaps you weren't aware of LancsBMD?

Any thoughts on the info I've found for you?

Births Sep 1905 (>99%)
Matthews Mary Josephine Preston 8e 562

Births Dec 1907 (>99%)
MATTHEWS James Patrick Preston 8e 550

Yes I've done research but have come to a full stop as cannot find the grandmothers maiden name.