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maureen

maureen Report 24 Oct 2015 10:20

ve family staying for a long weekend and so will not be able to follow up on anything, so don't think I have lost interest. I have emailed Rosa Bader and will see what happens. I don't think I have seen an envelope sign on messages. It is hard enough for me to refind things I have sent. I also find the tree difficult to navigate, but I will have a go entering in all these new finds, once I have copied them onto pen and paper - I really am a dinosaur electronically! Best Wishes Maureen

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 23 Oct 2015 21:37

Oh well, another one bites the dust.

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 23 Oct 2015 20:38

Detective unfortunately there is a Gertrude Matthews in that 1921 census who fits the bill and is not 'ours'

Name: Gertrude Matthews
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 34
> Birth Year: abt 1887
Birth Place: England
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Father Birth Place: England
Mother Birth Place: England
> Year of Immigration: 1920
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Province or Territory: Manitoba
District: Winnipeg South
City, Town or Village: Winnipeg
Section Number: 604 Jubilee Av
Municipality: S Ward
Occupation: School Teacher

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 23 Oct 2015 20:05

Contact details for the Jack, Joseph and Morton Mandel School of Applied Social Sciences
http://msass.case.edu/contact/

Their email address is on that link, but is short enough for Maureen to copy.
[ Maureen said earlier that, as a novice IT user, she finds it difficult to copy and paste]

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 23 Oct 2015 19:55

Thanks JoonieCloonie - thats great.

You start to doubt yourself when something disappears! There is a Linkedin page for him but considering his age, its probably dormant. I had been trying to find contact details for the organisations list but got no where fast.

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 23 Oct 2015 19:51

Have we followed through with Gertude Matthews, the daughter of Emmaunel Matthews and his wife Rebecca Bloomberg?

London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911
Name: Gertrude Matthews
Age: 10
Birth Date: 22 Jun 1892
School: Morning Lane School
Borough: Hackney
Admission Date: 2 Feb 1903
Parent: Emanuel
Notes: Morning Lane School opened in 1884. Became Morningside Primary School and Joseph Priestly Secondary School in 1951
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV04/MOR/AD/005

We suspected she & her mother visited her brother in Winnipeg
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

Name: Gertrude Matthews
Gender: Female
Age: 16
Birth Year: abt 1892
Date of Arrival: 19 Jun 1908
Vessel: Empress of Ireland
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England

If, and a big if, she stayed in Canada, there is possible marriage. Unfortunately as the last online Canadian census is 1921, its rather difficult to work out if it is relevant

EDIT - the following marriage has been ruled out.

GRO OM'S LAST NAME: BURGE
GROOM'S GIVEN NAMES: FREDERICK JOHN
BRIDE'S LAST NAME: MATTHEWS
BRIDE'S GIVEN NAMES: GERTRUDE
DATE OF MARRIAGE: 12/02/1923
PLACE OF MARRIAGE: WPG
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1923,007113

Think she may be another dead end.

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 23 Oct 2015 19:34

Detective and Maureen

(I have not followed these many trains of thought, but just caught this)

This is a link to an html version of Marvin's curriculum vitae (resumé) that was one of the pdf documents Detective referred to ... means you don't have to open a pdf document

http://tinyurl.com/oy4deop

unfortunately the latest actual date given is

'1992 Visiting Professor and Research Scholar N.Y.U School of Social Work'

and other dates simply say 'to present'

more recent:

http://tinyurl.com/qyhqnue

We are extremely grateful to the generous contributors who gave from July 1, 2013, through June 30, 2014, in support of future renovations to the Mandel School building. Thank you for partnering in the vision for a Mandel School of the 21st century and beyond.
> Marvin L. Rosenberg, MSSA 1962, DSW 1968

and he is listed as "emeritus faculty" in a 2012 Case Western Reserve University publication.

and in this current list of emeritus faculty

http://msass.case.edu/faculty/emeritus/

the school would very certainly be able to pass a message

Rambling

Rambling Report 23 Oct 2015 18:27

Also PMd address for Rosa.

Rambling

Rambling Report 23 Oct 2015 18:03


I have PMd to Maureen, a website for the sister of the tree owner on here , that too is my best guess as the name is unusual. But without certs what has been posted here IS just a best guess for the most part.There are other marriages for a Rebecca Gluckstein.... and there are several for her sister Rose Gluckstein.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Oct 2015 16:34

Follow-on thread re Rose Bader (see RR's post above on 23 Oct @ 12.23):

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1355700?jump=1355700

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 23 Oct 2015 15:46

In case you werent aware, anything we post which is in blue and starts with http:// is a hyperlink. Click on it and the web page will open in another tab.
Unfortunately the ones for Marvin Rosenberg posted a couple of pages back seem to have expired. I did try to refind the info the other day, but it all went wrong :-0

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 23 Oct 2015 15:42

On Genes, click the My Tree tab, then start to build.

As you've posted on find living relatives, that's what we've been trying to do; find you names and contact details for you to use.
*You* have to be proactive. Building a tree is the first step. After you've sent messages to other GR members, the next action is to write to distant relatives. It can be worth while!

One of my distant but blood relatives emigrated to NY about 1841. One of his descendents had inherited an unusual combination of names and was easy to find on line. To cut a long story short, he was the custodian of photo and lithographs dating back to the 1870s. He and his family met with us in the UK a few years back. We were able to visit the ancestral stomping ground en masse.

It can be worth making that extra effort - you never know what you might learn!

maureen

maureen Report 23 Oct 2015 15:30

My word. You have all gone much further along my family trail than I could ever expected. So far I have not heard from Nick, but it is very early days. I must try to find the site for family trees. Thank you, Maureen

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 23 Oct 2015 15:20

If you wanted to contact Austin V Campriello, details are here
https://www.bryancave.com/en/people/austin-v-campriello.html

His wife Christina Matthews
http://www.lawyer.com/christina-campriello.html

Professional address for Dr Jane C Matthews
http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Jane_Matthews.html

Possibly Barbara Matthews, but it is a common name
http://www.schenectady.k12.ny.us/howe_elementary_school/staffdirectory.htm

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 23 Oct 2015 15:13

Because someone may be interested in the Manhattan Project, the following is about the Oak Ridge TN site

http://www.atomicheritage.org/location/oak-ridge-tn

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 23 Oct 2015 13:29

Trying to find relatives of

Philip R Matthews
Birth Date: 14 Dec 1920
Address: 4709 Warren St NW, Washington, DC, 20016-2463 (1985)
[1212 Waverly Pl, Schenectady, NY, 12308-2627 (1986)]

At the same address
Name: Ann W Matthews
Birth Date: 30 Mar 1921
Address: 4709 Warren St NW, Washington, DC, 20016-2463 (1985)
[1212 Waverly Pl, Schenectady, NY, 12308-2627 (1987)]

United States Obituary Collection
Name of Deceased: Ann Matthews
Gender: Female
Age at Death: 91
Death Date: 14 Apr 2012
Obituary Date: 20 Apr 2012
Newspaper Location: Schenectady, New York, USA
Birth Date: 30 Mar 1921
Birth Place: Albion, Pennsylvania, USA
Spouse's Name: Phil
Parents' Names: John Duncan
[Ellen Savstrom Williamson]

>>>Childrens' Names: Ann; Christina Campriello and her husband, Austin V. Campriello of Pleasantville, NY, Barbara Matthews of Schenectady, and Dr. Jane Matthews of Newton, MA<<<<

Siblings' Names: Annie; Annie; John August Williamson; Kay Williamson Brown; Kay Williamson of Erie, PA
Military: Army

So you've got some names to work with there!

the full obit can be viewed here - just click on the link
http://tiny.cc/35h24x

It does say 'her husband, Phil, who passed away earlier this year' ie 2012
It was in Oak Ridge (Tennessee) that she met her future husband, Philip R. Matthews, an Army chemist assigned to the Manhattan Project. She remained in Oak Ridge until her marriage to Phil in 1946. Ann and Phil then spent a year in Berkeley, CA, while Phil finished his degree and they moved to Schenectady in 1947.

Phillip's obit
http://tiny.cc/vki24x
Extracted
Philip R. Matthews, of Schenectady, passed away peacefully on February 8th (2012)
Born on December 14, 1920, in Oakland, CA, to Henry Percy and Nellie Michols Matthews, he was the youngest of three siblings.

He is survived by his wife of 65 years, Ann Williamson Matthews; three daughters, Christina Campriello and her husband Austin V. Campriello of Pleasantville, NY, Barbara Matthews of Schenectady
and Dr. Jane Matthews of Newton, MA.
In addition, he is survived by eight grandchildren, - their names are given on the link

. He was predeceased by his brother Eric and his sister Marie.

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 23 Oct 2015 12:51

Back to Maria A Matthews -name Wallis, the surname for her 2nd marriage comes from the passport application.

US Public Records index, vol 1

Marie A Wallis
Birth Date: 16 Jun 1918
Phone Number: 782-4619
Address: 497 LA Quinta Ln, Sonoma, CA, 95476-7452
[1764 Kerry Ln, Santa Rosa, CA, 95403-8638 (1995)]
[2375 Range Ave Apt 198, Santa Rosa, CA, 95403-9448]
[2002 Pinercrest Dr, Santa Rosa, CA, 95403-7641 (1993)]

Listed at the same address
Alfred R Wallis
Address: 497 LA Quinta Ln, Sonoma, CA, 95476-7452
[1764 Kerry Ln, Santa Rosa, CA, 95403-8638 (1993)]
[2002 Pinercrest Dr, Santa Rosa, CA, 95403-7641 (1991)]

This must be their marriage
California, Marriage Index, 1960-1985
Name: Alfred R Wallis
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1913
Age: 57
Marriage Date: 28 Aug 1970
Marriage Place: Monterey, California, USA
Spouse Name: Marie A Matthews
Spouse Age: 52

She was probably too old to have children with Alfred, but might have done with Mr Larson. Larson was the name on her passport application in 1950


Rambling

Rambling Report 23 Oct 2015 12:23

There are several possible marriages for the Rebecca and Rose Gluckstein mentioned in the 1901/1911 with Barnett and Esther, in the London area so there might be descendants to be found there( at least two of the possible marriages had a daughter each) .

I think that's possibly as far as can be gone without buying at least a few marriage certs, unless Nick gets in touch and has already done the research, or someone can be found in trees that might be worth contacting.


This is possibly the most likely marriage for Rebecca,

Marriages Sep 1926 (>99%)
Bader Myer Gluckstein Stepney 1c 624
Gluckstein Rebecca Bader Stepney 1c 624

one daughter b 1930, who might still be living. EDIT name is Rosa Bader, she is actually on someone's tree here so might be worth a message?

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 23 Oct 2015 11:49

Just found this for Henry Percy Matthews marriage to Nelly

http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php

GROOM'S LAST NAME: MATTHEWS
GROOM'S GIVEN NAMES: HENRY PERCY
BRIDE'S LAST NAME: NICHOLS
BRIDE'S GIVEN NAMES: NELLIE
DATE OF MARRIAGE: 18/06/1912
PLACE OF MARRIAGE: WPG (Winnipeg)
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1912,006214

Nichols can be easily be mistranscibed to the other variations

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 23 Oct 2015 11:45

If we run with the birth for Eric F Matthews, his death.

Name: Eric F. Matthews
SSN: 552-07-7832
Last Residence: 21014 Bel Air, Harford, Maryland, USA
BORN: 14 Oct 1913
Died: 12 Sep 1997
State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951)


Name: Eric F Matthews
Service Info.: LT COL US ARMY WORLD WAR II
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1913
Death Date: 12 Sep 1997
Cemetery: Bel Air Memorial Gardens
Cemetery Address: 809 Rock Spring Road Bel Air, MD 21014

Public Records Index
Name: Ml Eric F Matthews
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1913
Address: 102 Brandywine Pl, Bel Air, MD, 21014-5502 (1993)

Name: E F Matthews
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1913
Address: 102 Brandywine Pl, Bel Air, MD, 21014-5502 (1995)

MD is the State of Maryland