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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Mar 2016 22:51

So they didn't go to Australia - or if they did, they came back again.
And it doesn't look as if they had children.


7 Darrs Lane is a nice little bungalow, per Streetview.

Rambling

Rambling Report 12 Mar 2016 22:47

Argyll Gran that is the same address for Frank as it was for Thomas.

Rambling

Rambling Report 12 Mar 2016 22:46

To tie in with that death

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=saunders&yearOfDeath=1962&page=12#calendar

Probate to Lydia Saunders widow.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Mar 2016 22:46

And Frank's - only married 2 years:

Frank Pocock
in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Frank Pocock
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Jun 1966
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Hemel Hempstead
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 4b
Page: 113


Address: 7 Darrs Lane, Northchurch, Berkhamssted..
Admin of estate to Frank William Pocock, presumably son from an earlier marriage. £158.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Mar 2016 22:39

Therefore, possibly Thomas's death??

Deaths Mar 1962 (>99%)
SAUNDERS Thomas 79 Berkhamsted 4b 1

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Mar 2016 22:28

A late second marriage ????


Lydia Pocock
in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Lydia Pocock
Birth Date: 31 Mar 1887 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< (as per 1939)
Date of Registration: Jun 1972
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Hemel Hempstead
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 4b
Page: 278



Frank Pocock
in the England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Frank Pocock
Spouse Surname: Saunders (Lydia Saunders) <<<<<<<<<<<
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1964
Registration district: Berkhampstead <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume Number: 4b
Page Number: 29

Rambling

Rambling Report 12 Mar 2016 22:23

I can't see any 'obvious' births to Thomas and Lydia after the 1911 census ( there are Saunders/Bedford births but they seem to be accounted for by other marriages with same surnames).

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Mar 2016 22:19

Back to the drawing board, RR!

Rambling

Rambling Report 12 Mar 2016 22:16

Looks likely ArgyllGran as there is son CL

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
55 Jersey Road Ilford, Ilford, Essex, England

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Louisa Saunders Wife Married Female - 33 1878 London Marylebone
Cyril Lionel Saunders Son - Male - 3 1908 London Cricklewood
Victor Arthur Saunders Son - Male - 0 1911 Essex Ilford
Ethel May Porter Servant Single Female General Servant Domestic 20 1891 Essex Barking

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Mar 2016 22:12

Just a guess at the son VA :

Births Sep 1910 (>99%)
SAUNDERS Victor A Romford 4a 548


EDIT:

this is possibly that Victor, with mother Louisa (Mrs L Saunders in that travel record?)


Victor Arthur Saunders

in the 1911 England Census
Name: Victor Arthur Saunders
Age in 1911: 10/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Ilford, Essex
Civil Parish: Ilford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 55 Jersey Rd, Ilford, Essex
Registration district: Romford
Registration District Number: 191
Sub-registration district: Ilford
ED, institution, or vessel: 50
Household schedule number: 28
Piece: 9899
Household Members:
Name Age
Louisa Saunders 33
Cyril Lionel Saunders 3
Victor Arthur Saunders 10/12
Ethel May Porter 20

Rambling

Rambling Report 12 Mar 2016 22:05

Unless you were looking at this one?

First name(s) L
Last name SAUNDERS
Title MRS
Gender Female
Age 49
Birth year 1880
Occupation H W
Departure year 1929
Departure day 26
Departure month 1
Departure port LIVERPOOL
Destination port SYDNEY
Destination SYDNEY
State New South Wales
Country AUSTRALIA
Destination country AUSTRALIA
Ship name CERAMIC
Ship official number 135474
Ship master's first name T
Ship master's last name MUSGRAVE
Shipping line WHITE STAR-ABERDEEN
City LIVERPOOL
Ship destination port AUSTRALIA
Ship destination country AUSTRALIA
Ship registered tonnage 18495
Number of passengers 391
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States

Travelling with Mr CL or CH, and Mr VA from 4 Chesham rdAmersham Bucks...they would be her sons I think age 20 and 18

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Mar 2016 22:00

Lydia had no middle name, which might cut down any search:

Births Jun 1887 (>99%)
Bedford Lydia Berkhampstead 3a 602


I don't see them together on any Australian ER.

Rambling

Rambling Report 12 Mar 2016 21:58

Are you certain they left ( or at least may they have returned?) as this couple have same birth years and I can't see a record for them going to Australia?

Saunders Household (2 People)
Lyndale Poplar Drive , Herne Bay U.D., Kent, EnglaFIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Lydia Saunders 31 Mar 1887 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Thomas Saunders 07 Feb 1882 Confectioner & Tobacconist Retired

Rambling

Rambling Report 12 Mar 2016 21:51

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
59 George St Sunnyside, Sunnyside, Hertfordshire, England

Thomas Saunders Wife Married Male Tennis Hoop Maker 29 1882 Ivinhoe Bucks Transcription
Lydia Saunders Wife Married Female - 24 1887 Pottenend Gt Berkhamstead Herts

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Mar 2016 21:49

Just for helpers' benefit to give an idea of time-scale:

Marriages Mar 1908 (>99%)
BEDFORD Lydia Berkhampstead 3a 961
Saunders Thomas Berkhampstead 3a 961

They are not going to be living relatives - but presumably you mean any descendants they may have had.

Lance

Lance Report 12 Mar 2016 21:09

Researching Thomas Saunders Married Lydia Bedford i know information up until they left UK to go to Australia then the trail goes cold. left UK in late 1920s