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Mckee family Crumlin, Co. ANTRIM

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Sandra

Sandra Report 22 Feb 2017 00:36

I am trying to find any living relatives of the Mckee family. Margaret was my grandmother. Her mother was Agnes Mckee, who lived into her 80,s, possibly 90,s. John Mckee was her father. They had 3 daughters, Annie Mckee born in 1901, Margaret born in 1906, Catherine born in 1911. I cant find information on Annie, except 1901 census. Catherine had a baby in 1927, Henry Dobbin. Her husband of the same name died in 1927. She remarried again to a Thomas Bailie in 1936. She was listed as Kathleen Dobbin. They were members of Crumlin Presbyterian church. My father was born in 1931, whilst Margaret was living in Toronto. She brought him back here aged 3 months. She then had, Francis James in 1938 and Heather Ann in 1946. I have regular contact with Francis's children and I know Heather lives in Scotland but I am sure there are living relatives out there, as Agnes seemed to come from a big family. It has taken me over 30 years to find this much, as my father never spoke of his family. If anyone can fill in some blanks in my family tree, I would be grateful. :-D

malyon

malyon Report 22 Feb 2017 13:10


Annie M'Kee
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes
Name
Annie M'Kee
Event Type
Birth
Event Date
Jan - Mar 1901
Event Place
Antrim, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year
Jan - Mar 1901
Registration District
Antrim
Volume Number
1
Page Number
20

death
Annie M'Kay
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes
Name
Annie M'Kay
Event Type
Death
Event Date
Jul - Sep 1901
Event Place
Antrim, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year
Jan - Mar 1901
Registration District
Antrim
Age
0
Birth Year (Estimated)
1901
Volume Number
1
Page Number
13

Sandra

Sandra Report 23 Feb 2017 15:45

I have found Annie's birth certificate. She was born on 30 May 1899.

malyon

malyon Report 23 Feb 2017 17:33

where was annie born?

Sandra

Sandra Report 23 Feb 2017 21:15

Crumlin county Antrim

Sandra

Sandra Report 3 Jan 2018 14:04

Anyone have a relative named Mckee from Crumlin.

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 5 Jan 2018 00:11

Hi Sandra, was McKee Agnes' birth name as well as her married name?

I don't remember from your other thread whether you had this info.

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1362094


edit - you referred to the 1901 census so you do have that info but I don't know whether you have the 1911, and anyone wanting to try to find descendants of Margaret/Maggie's siblings would need their names.


1901 census

http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Camlin/Crumlin/917214/

Residents of a house 103 in Crumlin (Camlin, Antrim)

Canning Janet Baird 5 Female Daughter Presbyterian
Canning Marion Bertram Spottiswode 2 Female Daughter Presbyterian
Canning John Alexr 41 Male Head of Family Presbyterian
Canning Jane 75 Female Mother Presbyterian
>> McKee Agnes 23 Female Servant Presbyterian - unmarried
Canning Charles Colquhoun 6 Male Son Presbyterian
Canning Agnes Dickie 32 Female Wife Presbyterian

http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Camlin/Ballydonaghy/916987/

Residents of a house 11 in Ballydonaghy (Camlin, Antrim)

Nicholl Jane 5 Female Grand Daughter Presbyterian
McKee Annie 1 Female Grand Daughter Presbyterian
McKee Margaret 42 Female Head of Family Presbyterian
McKee Francis 18 Male Son Presbyterian


1911 census

http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Crumlin/Ballydonaghy/108108/

Residents of a house 11 in Ballydonaghy (Crumlin, Antrim)

McKee John 59 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Church
McKee Agnes 33 Female Wife Presbyterian Church
McKee Maggie 4 Female Daughter Presbyterian Church

http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Crumlin/Ballydonaghy/108107/

Residents of a house 10 in Ballydonaghy (Crumlin, Antrim)

McKee Margaret 53 Female Head of Family Presbyterian Church
McKee Francis 29 Male Son Presbyterian Church
McKee Lizzie 26 Female Daughter Presbyterian Church
McKee James 22 Male Son Presbyterian Church
Nicholl Jennie 15 Female Niece Presbyterian Church


So that last list seems to be the mother and siblings of Agnes.

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 5 Jan 2018 00:19

Agnes and John married in 1902, so I am guessing he was not Annie's father.

Name Agnes M'Kee
Event Type Marriage
Event Date Oct - Dec 1902
Event Place Antrim, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year Oct - Dec 1902
Registration District Antrim
Volume Number 1

matches the info for John M'Kee.


JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 5 Jan 2018 00:52

Agnes's mother Margaret was shown as married in 1901 and widowed in 1911.

I wonder whether this was Agnes's father in 1901, the only other McKee in Camlin.

(edit - deleted info about a William McKee at the link below, since AustinQ has now identified Agnes's parents
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Camlin/Ballyseesy/917071/)


Presumably you have tried to contact the people who have McKees of Crumlin in their trees here?

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/tree/results/mckee?memberkey=0&yearofbirthrange=0&birthplace=crumlin

The last one in the list, George 1879, seems to have been living in Shankhill in 1901 with parents Catherine and John:

http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Shankhill/Agnes_Street/947474/

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 5 Jan 2018 08:17

Agnes father is listed as Thomas McKee (labourer) on Agnes marriage in 1902

It seems her parents were Thomas Mckee and Margaret Bradley.

This is Agnes birth- unnamed at registration:

Name: - Mckee
Female
Date of birth: 25th January 1878
Abode: Shaneoguestown, Muckamore Grange
Father: Thomas McKee (Farmer)
Mother: Margaret McKee (Formerly Bradley)
SR District/Reg Area Antrim
------------------------------

This is Agnes father in 1901 (he died 1902)

Ireland Census 1901 Transcription
Residents of a house 50 in Shanoguestown (Antrim Rural, Antrim)

Thomas McKee Head of Family Married 55 1846 Antrim
James McKee Son Single 12 1889 Antrim
Robert McKee Son Single 14 1887 Antrim
Lizzie McKee Daughter Single 16 1885 Antrim

Sandra

Sandra Report 5 Jan 2018 14:37

Hi Austin, yes those are all family in my past except George.

Sandra

Sandra Report 5 Jan 2018 14:40

Jooniecloonie, I had very messaged these people today, thank you for that. It's all a bit complicated, Margaret Mckee mother was Agnes and her mother was also Margaret. I am perplexed where Annie went, as there is no death registered for her. There is an Annie living with another family in Crumlin on 1911 census, who is around the correct age.

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 5 Jan 2018 16:58

Fingers crossed for replies!

Had you checked into Agnes's siblings as listed in 1911?

McKee Francis 29
McKee Lizzie 26
McKee James 22
Nicholl Jennie 15 - could be daughter of Margaret's or Thomas's sister ...


(AustinQ I've edited my post above to indicate that William is not the right guy)

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 5 Jan 2018 17:29

Sandra,

"There is an Annie living with another family in Crumlin on 1911 census, who is around the correct age."

Do you mean an Annie with a different surname? I don't see an Annie McKee.

It's entirely possible that John rejected Agnes's daughter from before her marriage, when they married. But Annie would most likely have stayed with her grandmother Margaret.



Any chance you have this?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2Q4W-3V3

Name Robert Mckee
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 19 May 1930
Event Place Lucas, Ohio, United States
Age 40
Birth Year (Estimated) 1890
> Father's Name Thos Mckee
> Mother's Name Margaret Bradley
Spouse's Name Beatrice Freestone
Spouse's Age 30
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1900
Spouse's Father's Name Rupert Freestone
Spouse's Mother's Name Mary Thaxton

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 5 Jan 2018 17:51

Robert is Agnes's brother. I can't find anything on him after that, but this is his wife Beatrice before marriage:

1911 Canada census

Name Beatrice Freestone
Event Type Census
Event Date 1911
Event Place Grey North Sub-Districts 1-46, Ontario, Canada
Gender Female
Age (Estimated) 11
Marital Status Single
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Date Mar 1900
Birthplace Ontario

Rupert E Freestone Head M 37 Ontario
Mary E Freestone Wife F 38 Ontario
Daisy F Freestone Daughter F 12 Ontario
Beatrice Freestone Daughter F 11 Ontario
Otto C Freestone Son M 8 U S A

Same people, same place, in 1911.

Also:

Charles Ross Freestone
birth: 18 June 1911 St Vincent, Grey, Ontario, Canada
father: Charles Rupert Freestone
mother: Mary Emma Theakston

but I can't find any of them after 1911 in Canada or the US.

Oops, Beatrice remarried and is buried in California:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VGPT-CWH

Name Beatrice Hicks
Event Type Death
Event Date 23 Sep 1993
Event Place San Diego, California, United States
Birth Date 23 Mar 1901
Birthplace Canada
Gender Female
Father's Name Freestone
Mother's Name Theakston

Husband was Hobart Hicks (records of a child's death at familysearch)


edit

father Charles/Rupert, mother Mary and brother Otto appear to be buried in Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/1971328/memorial-search?firstName=&lastName=Freestone

probably a relation:

http://www.canada411.ca/search/?stype=si&what=freestone&where=Regina%2C+SK

and other possibles:

http://www.canada411.ca/search/?stype=si&what=Freestone&where=Saskatchewan

(uncommon name)


So that's all going a little far afield ... I was hoping for descendants of Robert McKee, but none found so far.

But -- Otto Cecil Freestone, born 1903 Pembina County, died Saskatchewan, is in three family trees (that I can't view at the moment) at Ancestry.

Another tree has Beatrice Freestone, born Grey County, died San Diego, married to Robert McKee.

Two of the trees with Otto have Beatrice with husband Hicks.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 6 Jan 2018 09:29


Despite the Robert's marriage to Beatrice stating that he hadn't been previously married a tree on Ancestry has Robert married to Ellen Lindsey in 1909. It states that Robert and his wife Ellen both died in Ontario- Robert in 1953 and Ellen in 1955. The tree has photos of both Robert and Ellen.

This is the marriage:

Marriage
Date: Jan 1st 1909
SR District/Reg Area Lisburn

Robert Mckee (Private- 1st Cameron Highlianders)
Abode: Tidworth Barracks, Hampshire
Father: Thomas Mckee (Labourer)
Spouse: Ellen Lindsey (weaver)
Abode: ?
Father: David Lindsey (Labourer)

Witnesses: James Mckee & Mary E Linsey
------------------------------------------------

Robert and Ellen have the following children:

Robert Mckee 1911 born Crumlin
John Mckee 1912 born Crumlin (died Crumlin 1912)
Marion Mckee 1915 born Crumlin (died Crumlin 1915)
David Bradley Mckee1919 born Crumlin
------------------------------------------------

The tree says Robert travelled to Canada in 1920. This is Ellen travelling out in 1922:

Ship name Tunisian
Ship official number 111248
Departure 6th May 1922
Departure port Belfast
Destination port Quebec
Destination QUEBEC
Country Canada
Destination country Canada

Mrs Ellen Mckee - Main Street Crumlin- Housewife- age 37
Master Robert Mckee- school- age 10
Master David Mckee- school- age 2
---------------------------------------------

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 6 Jan 2018 09:57

Marriages of Agnes other siblings:

James Mckee married Catherine Mckeen 19th December 1913 (Muckamore Parish, County Antrim. Witnesses: John Fleming & Jane Nicholl.

I think they were cutting it a bit fine with the marriage-
a son Thomas was born 26th December 1913
son James born 23rd December 1915
(there maybe other children)
---------------------------------------------------

Lizzie Mckee married James Henry Doyle 4th July 1913 (Antrim). Witnesses: David Grant & Jane Nicholl

They had a daughter, Minnie Elizabeth born 21 January 1915
(there may be other children)

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 6 Jan 2018 17:21

Yikes, so Robert married Beatrice Freestone in Ohio in 1930 while first wife Ellen was still living?

I mean ... the age and parents' names in the 1930 Ohio marriage are unmistakably correct.

I wonder whether this is why there do not seem to be any records of Robert and Beatrice, e.g. in the 1930 and 1940 US censuses. And she was able to remarry based on bigamy.

AustinQ, I'm waiting until my next credit card billing cycle to switch accounts and pick up the cheapo Ancestry sub again. Can you see the trees I mentioned, where Robert and Beatrice appear together, and whether they have any explanation of the multiple marriages?

Does the tree say where in Ontario Robert and Ellen died? With the name Robert McKee being so common, that's a big factor for searching the 1921 census and the Canada voters' list, and for graves.

At the moment, I don't see a Robert McKee in the 1921 Canada census (free database) to match him.


AustinQ, would you do a quick fix? Your post says:
"Marriages of John's other siblings"
-- they were Agnes's siblings. Dang people who marry people with the same surname! :-)

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 6 Jan 2018 17:23

malyon

may I beg of you to delete the long post at the top of this thread containing info about Annie McKees who are unrelated to this query?

Sandra

Sandra Report 7 Jan 2018 20:38

Wow this is all very enlightening. Lots of Canada involvement. We have bigamy, illegitimate children, false names. What will turn up next! :-)