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From marriage records, it looks like Sandra might have remarried to Peter Crouch.

I cannot find a birth record for Vera Collins, but Kay found another tree with Keith Sendall on it. The father was Herbert and the mother Vera, although interestingly the certificate attached was for Marjorie.

might have a possible lead but it involves the second marriage of a Sandra, anyone want to double check for me please? will PM

Just for ref Herbert K Sendall's probate record 1981 is on https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

address given as Selsdon Vale which is Croydon

There is a marriage for Marjorie Sendall in 1960 to Skeet

birth date on death reg is the same as Marjorie Sendall, nee Collins


First name(s) MARJORIE
Last name SKEET
Gender Female
Birth day 6
Birth month 11
Birth year 1919
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1998
District Croydon
District number 2251A
Register number A58B
Entry number 163
Date of registration mm/yy 0398
County Surrey
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials

may well not be connected but just noticed this name further down the list on that same

Household (1 Person)
Mayday Hospital Mayday Road Thornton Heath , Croydon C.B., Surrey, England

Margaret H Alexander 04 Jul 1913 Probationer Nurse

Household (1 Person)
Mayday Hospital Mayday Road Thornton Heath , Croydon C.B., Surrey, England

Margery Sendall (Collins) 06 Nov 1919 Domestic Housemaid

I'm just on my way out- Could someone please post the details of the 1939 register for:

Margery Sendall (Collins) 1919 Croydon C.B. Surrey

born- 6th November 1919.
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Marjorie has the same mother's maiden name as Vera (Marjorie was a twin)- I believe she was Vera's older sister :

Births Dec 1919
Collins Colin Griffin Stoke T. 6b 606
Collins Marjorie Griffin Stoke T. 6b 606

Ok I caught up. I have emailed a few of you privately. I'm confused as to how Austin found a sister Marjorie.

I am certain that the Vera Collins born in Biddulph is correct as her father is a postman on the marriage certificate.

The census does not list a Marjorie at that time?

A remarriage would make sense and that would explain my father's adoption although that makes me terribly sad. Please could I kindly ask that those details are sent to me so I can add them to my tree and check before I start contacting people.

Also you have all been amazing. Truly I mean this as my family is small and bears the scars of this adoption and then adoptive parents dying when my father was 5. No one wanted him and he has become a bitter man.

I hope I can put some of this right. So please please send me the details and I can follow this all up. Austin - the Facebook names would be amazing. You are all far better at this than I am, juggling a teaching job and kids is hard!

So thank you, thank you, thank you.

there is a marriage for a Sandra C Sendall Croydon?

and no matching birth on freebmd

edit though there is a birth Croydon but without middle initial

Kay has just raised a good point via PM- could Sandra have been formally adopted by Herbert Sendall?

There are two marriages that are possible for Sandra- under the name Sendall.

I had turned pages and overlooked to check street names........yes Gladys was at Langton Gdns.



;-) :-D.

1939 Register for 18 Mitchell Street, Finsbury (much as per 1938 ER)

Schedule 135 - Empty (possibly where the Hayletts were in 1938?)
Schedule 136 - George Robinson 1 Aug 1883 D General Labourer
Schedule 137 - Neal Household (5 People)

Neal Household (5 People)
18 Mitchell Street , Finsbury, London, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
George Neal 04 Jun 1892 Male Wire Worker Married 137 1
Frances Neal 11 Dec 1886 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 137 2
Frances Rothwell (Neal) 01 Aug 1920 Female Machinist Fancy W? Single 137 3
William J Neal 01 Nov 1915 Male Railway Goods Porter Single 137 4
Ernest J Neal 04 May 1918 Male Floor Covering Single 137 5


18 Langton Gate, Finsbury - Gladys S Walker b 16 Nov 1899 Single Office Cleaner
and the Stevens Family

Kay- are you sure that Gladys was in Mitchell Street in 1939?

I don't have access to the 1939 but only seeing Neal and Robinson surnames listed there.

It looks like Gladys S Walker was at 18 Langton Gate in 1939.

1939. No Alexanders at 18 Mitchell St EC1, but a Gladys (S)? Walker single bn 16th Nov 99..


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Sendall Household (7 People)
578 London Road , Croydon C.B., Surrey, England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Herbert K Sendall 13 Oct 1917 Plumber Heavy Work.single.


HERBERT KEITH
Last name SENDALL
Gender Male
Birth day 13
Birth month 10
Birth year 1917
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1981
District Kensington
County London
Volume 13
Page 1876
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007.

I'm pretty certain the above Vera is correct. Looking at the births on Free BMD it looks like Vera was possibly with Herbert Sendall from 1949 even though they didn't marry until 1962. (two children- son born 1949 & daughter 1952 - the daughter's children are on Facebook).

So it seems possible from the above that Vera was in a relationship with her sister's husband from as early as 1949. Possibly a reason why the children from her marriage to Henry Alexander were adopted?

(Vera's sister, Marjorie Collins was born 6 November 1919- twin of Colin Collins)

Just trying to grasp a few basics- Not seeing Vera & Henry on the electoral register. What address was given for the births of the children?

Electoral Register:- 18 Mitchell Street, Finsbury 1938:
Rebecca Haylett
William Haylett
Frances Neal
William George Neal
William John Neal
George Alexander Robinson
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Not seeing Vera's death

Did Vera marry again? If so, do you have the certificate? Does it list her as widowed?

Marriage?:

Marriages Sep 1962
ALEXANDER Vera SENDALL Newcastle T. 1b 194
SENDALL Herbert K ALEXANDER Newcastle T. 1b 194
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Death:
Name: Vera Sendall
Birth Date: 14 Nov 1924
Date of Registration: Apr 2003
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: London, Surrey
Register Number: C86B
District and Subdistrict: 225/1C
Entry Number: 35
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EDIT: It looks likely that Herbert Sendall was previously married to Vera's sister Marjorie.

https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/units/4445/pioneer-corps/

Hardly known today is the fact that many thousands of Germans and Austrians joined the Pioneer Corps to assist the Allied war efforts and liberation of their home countries. These were mainly Jews and political opponents of the Nazi Regime who had fled to Britain while it was still possible, including the cinematographer Sir Ken Adam. These men - often dubbed "The King's Most Loyal Enemy Aliens" - later moved on to serve in fighting units like the Royal Fusiliers, Royal Tank Corps and even with the RAF. Serving as German nationals in the British forces was particularly dangerous, since, in the case of them being taken captive, there was a high probability they would have been executed as traitors by the Germans. Also, the number of German-born Jews joining the British forces was exceptionally high. Until the end of the war, one of seven Jewish refugees from Germany had joined the British forces. Their profound knowledge of the German language and customs proved to be very useful. A lot of them served in the administrative bodies of the British occupation army in Germany after the war

18 Mitchell Street EC1 - I have searched some electoral roles. But no joy with this address to add. More experienced researchers might be able to though than me.

BTW you said you haven't looked at electoral rolls, that is why people are asking for the address so that they can look, London electoral rolls prior to and after the war are on Ancestry, even if the name is not on there for that address it 'might' give further clues

Deborah it really might help if you gave the address you have, regardless of whether it was destroyed during the war.

I take your point about Jewish migrants changing names, but that's not certain is it?