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Robert Fox Newton

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Trevor

Trevor Report 22 Nov 2017 02:32

I am trying to locate living relatives that are descendants of Robert Fox Newton of Beer, Devonshire. I am trying to match our genetic relationship by a DNA swab test. The paternity of my father was denied and my father and purported grand father have both passed away long ago. I want to pass the unconfirmed 25% of my ancestry to my children and grand children before I am also done.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Nov 2017 07:04

I hope you are able to get some answers. Just for background:-

Western Times - Friday 20 August 1926

BEER PATERNITY CASE Local Carpenter Denies Domestic's Allegations

Axminster Magistrates on Tuesday, after a lengthy hearing, dismissed an application for a Paternity Order, made by Winnifred May Burborough, domestic servant, of Beer, against Clifford Abraham Newton, carpenter, of Beer.

Mr. M. J. McGahey, for the defence, said the girl had not corroborated her evidence any material particular.

Defendant, who was married, emphatically denied the paternity, and said when he first heard the allegation against him at once, repudiated it, and said he would rather to prison than pay.
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Family in 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
60 Main Street Beer, Beer, Devon, England

Robert Pox Newton Head Married Male Carpenter And Wheelwright 49 1862 Devon Beer
Emma Newton Wife Married Female - 48 1863 Devon Beer
Mabel Minnie Newton Daughter Single Female Dress Maker 28 1883 Devon Beer
William Robert Newton Son Single Male General Smith 21 1890 Devon Beer
Mary Ellen Newton Daughter Single Female - 19 1892 Devon Beer
Clifford Abraham Newton Son Single Male Carpenter Wheelwright Assistant 16 1895 Devon Beer
Gladys Mutter Newton Daughter - Female School 11 1900 Devon Beer
Dorothy May Newton Daughter - Female School 9 1902 Devon Beer
Leslie Isaac Newton Son - Male School 6 1905 Devon Beer
Gwendoline Emma Newton Daughter - Female School 4 1907 Devon Beer
Kathleen Hilda Newton Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Devon Beer
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Clifford in 1939:

Newton Household 2 Lion Villa Ellesmere , Axminster R.D., Devon, England

Clifford (A) Newton 05 Jan 1895 Male Builders Married
Gladys (May) Newton 15 May 1895 Female Housewife Married
Robert Newton 23 Feb 1922 Male Carpenter Single
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Graham Newton 20 Nov 1926 Male At School Single
Georgina May 16 Dec 1860 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed
Helen May 06 Sep 1886 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single
Lilian May 27 Oct 1892 Female Railway Clerk School Hand Typist Single

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 22 Nov 2017 11:12

Clifford’s marriage
Marriages Sep 1921 (>99%)
Newton Clifford A Newton Honiton 5b 29
Newton Gladys M Newton Honiton 5b 29

As you’re primary looking for male descendants, the sons (to 1936, Axminster reg) as per 1939 Register (above) were
Robert L Newton 1922
Graham C Newton 1926

Posted as middle initials make a difference!

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 22 Nov 2017 11:18

Roberts death
ROBERT LESLIE
Last name NEWTON
Gender Male
Birth day 23
Birth month 2
Birth year 1922
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1990
District Honiton
Register number 1290
County Devon
Volume 21
Page 1332

Married Ms Driver, 1949 in Honiton reg.

Can’t see any Newton/Driver births on freebmd or FMP

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 22 Nov 2017 11:50

Leslie Isaac Newton's marriage

1906
Record set Somerset Marriage Index
First name(s) Leslie Isaac
Sex Male
Last name Newton
Marriage year 1927
Birth year 1904
Spouse's first name(s) Phyllis Mary
Spouse's last name Bonfield
Parish Stogumber
Denomination Anglican
County Somerset
Country England
Document type Parish records
Page 179
Age 23
Marital status bachelor
Residence Beer, Devon
Occupation Carpenter
Marriage date 16 Jul 1927
Spouse's age 21
Spouse's marital status spinster
Spouse's residence Tatworth
Spouse's occupation Domestic Servant
Father's name Robert Newton
Father's occupation Deceased
Spouse's father's name John Bonfield
Spouse's father's occupation Carpenter
First witness Clifford Abraham Newton
Second witness Alice Florence Ada Bonfield
Archive Somerset Archives
Record type Marriages

His death

First name(s) LESLIE ISAAC
Last name NEWTON
Gender Male
Birth day 21
Birth month 6
Birth year 1904
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1974
District Devon Central
County Devon
Volume 7A
Page 1135

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 22 Nov 2017 11:55

1939 Register
Newton Household (6 People)
2 Brooklyn Villa , Axminster R.D., Devon, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Leslie Newton 21 Jun 1904 Male Carpenter Master Partner Married 223 3
Phyllis Newton 23 Sep 1906 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 223 1
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Daisy Bird 24 Sep 1896 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 223 5
Lilian G Mottram 17 Jan 1893 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 223 6

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 22 Nov 2017 12:02

One of the closed records is likely to be John L 1928

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Nov 2017 12:34

Looks to be two further children to Leslie & Phyllis. Son Peter b1940- and possibly still living in Devon.

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 23 Nov 2017 01:30

Also, don't rule out female descendants. YDNA is the best way of proving a match in the paternal line, but autosomal DNA can identify cousins within the distance that female descendants of Robert Fox Newton would be to you.

That would not be as good evidence of paternity, but there would have to be some other explanation for the relationship otherwise. :-)

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 23 Nov 2017 01:39

11 people have Robert Newton 1862, Beer, Devon, in their trees at this website.

They are unlikely in the extreme to see this message, as few people who sign up here and create family trees ever read the community boards. So the thing to do is send them all messages to ask whether they are direct descendants. (Never just ask to see someone's tree!)

Make sure that even if your paid membership here lapses, you keep a current email address in your account so you get notice of private messages, and you will be able to reply.

There are also about 15 family trees at Ancestry with Robert Fox Newton (some say Robert Cox, or just Robert) borh 1862, Beer, Devon. Many of these are probably the same people as at this website, so I might try here first.

If you don't subscribe to Ancestry, you can take out a free trial membership and send messages to those members (giving an email address for replies).

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 23 Nov 2017 18:28

Kenneth, it really isn't quite fair to put personal details about other members in the thread. I would edit your post to remove the names.

edit

Kenneth chose instead to delete his message, which then isn't quite fair to other members who don't know what info was sent privately.

Kenneth identified a member here who is a relation of Clifford and sent location info for that person and their parents.

Kenneth

Kenneth Report 24 Nov 2017 09:28

Have PM full contact details for Clifford`s nephew born 1940 and JoonieCloonie I hope you feel better soon and have a MERRY CHRISTMAS