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I AM LOOKING FOR MY MUM MUMS FAMILY MEMBERS RELATED TO MARGARET LILLIE ECKFORD BORN ON 16 DECEMBER 1896 IN NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE BUT HER MUM MARGARET CAME FROM LONGBANK OR LONGBACK FARM HAWICK SCOTLAND, GRANDMA SISTER 'S WAS ANNIE AND SUEIE HER DUAGHTER WAS THOMASTINA SHE MARRIED TO JOHN DOW BROWN 1943 THEY EMERGATED TO QUEBECK CANADA IN 1949/50 AND SHE PASSED AWAY IN 2000 IN CANDA

Could she have fibbed about her age? This is the closest result from Freebmd

Births Dec 1894 (>99%)
Eckford Margaret Lilico Newcastle T. 10b 170

There's also
Births Dec 1894 (>99%)
Eckford Lily Gateshead 10a 898

Assuming the former, GRO gives her mother's maiden name

ECKFORD, MARGARET LILIES mmn WELSH
GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 170

................EDIT - DISREGARD THIS POST.........

On your Ancestry tree, you've attached the 1881 to whom you presume to be her father

John Eckford
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margret Eckford
Gender: Male
Where born: Maxton, Roxburghshire
Registration Number: 793
Registration district: Kelso
Civil Parish: Kelso
County: Roxburghshire
Address: Berryhill
Occupation: Farm Stewart
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 7
LINE: 9
Roll: cssct1881_318
Household Members:
Name Age
John Eckford 41
Margret Eckford 44
Thomas Eckford 12
Helen Eckford 12
Andrew Eckford 11
John Eckford 9
George Eckford 7
James Eckford 5
Jane Eckford 2

Not attached is the 1891

John Eckford
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margarat Eckford
Gender: Male
Where born: Maxton, Roxburghshire
Registration Number: 793
Registration district: Kelso
Civil Parish: Kelso
Town: Kelso
County: Roxburghshire
Address: Berryhill Cottage
Occupation: Farm Steward
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 10
LINE: 1
Roll: CSSCT1891_386
Household Members:
Name Age
John Eckford 52
Margarat Eckford 54
Andrew Eckford 21
John Eckford 19
George Eckford 17
James Eckford 15
Jane Eckford 12

A free search on Scotlandspeople suggests Margaret's name at marriage was Ormiston

ECKFORD, JOHN
ORMISTON, MARGARET
1866
685/5 377
Newington

.............DISREGARD THE ABOVE, LATER POSTS SUGGEST OTHERWISE...

Were you particularly looking for descendants of Thomastina in Canada?
Who married John Dow Brown & where?

The only 2 marriages in 1943 for a John D Brown

Marriages Jun 1943 (>99%)
Brown John D (to) Webb Radnor W. 11b 217
Webb Gwendoline E (to) Brown Radnor W. 11b 217

Marriages Sep 1943 (>99%)
Brickell John Jones Bedwellty 11a 275
Brown John D Jones Bedwellty 11a 275 <<<
Jones Daphne Brickell Bedwellty 11a 275
Jones Rosa E Brown Bedwellty 11a 275

Unfortunately both men married different Ms Jones - its not immediately apparent which lady married John D Brown

There's no marriage for a John Dow Brown on Scotlandspeople in 1943.

Edit - found it
BROWN. JOHN DOW
ECKFORD. THOMASINA W
1919
789/ 72
Hawick


As he married in 1919, this could be his birth
BROWN
JOHN DOW
M
1897
646/3 866
Partick

Thomasina's ?
ECKFORD
THOMASINA W
F
1896
789/1 151
Hawick

1901

Elizabeth Eckford
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Cavers, roxburghshire
Registration Number: 789/1
Registration district: Hawick
Civil Parish: Hawick
Town: Hawick
County: Roxburghshire
Address: 52 Loan
Occupation: Charwoman
ED: 18
Household schedule number: 4
LINE: 18
Roll: CSSCT1901_423
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Eckford 57 (widow)
John Eckford 11 - Galashiels, selkirkshire
Annie Eckford 9 - England
Andrew Eckford 8 - England
Lilly Eckford 6 - England (Margaret using 2nd name?)
Thomasina Eckford 4 - Hawick, roxburghshire

This could be Annie's birth
ECKFORD, ANNIE JACK WELSH
GRO Reference: 1891 S Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 174

And Andrew's
ECKFORD, ANDREW WELSH
GRO Reference: 1893 M Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 171

Same mmn of Welsh for Margaret Lily 1894.

John's birth
ECKFORD
JOHN
M
1889
775/ 166
Galashiels

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

Thomasina Brown
Gender: Female
Arrival Age: 28
Birth Year: abt 1897
Birth Country: Scotland
Departure Port: Greenock, Scotland
Arrival date: 2 May 1925
Arrival Port: Quebec, Canada
Vessel: Regina

Accompanied by daughters all born in Hawick
Elizabeth age 6
Winifred age 3
Destination John D Brown of 189 St Albans St, Montreal.
Relative in Scotland – Mother, Elizabeth Eckford of 55 Lever, Hewick

A later return to Canada
Name: Thomasina Brown
Gender: Female
Arrival Age: 37
Birth Year: abt 1896
Birth Country: Scotland
Departure Port: Greenock, Scotland
Arrival date: 1 Sep 1933
Arrival Port: Quebec, Canada
Vessel: Duchess of Richmond

No other relatives with her - the John Brown listed above her on the passenger list has a different destination. Shes going to Husband John Brown of 810 Verdun, Montreal
She states that she first arrived in Canada in Apr 1925

"SHE PASSED AWAY IN 2000 IN CANDA"

Surely not Thomasina? She'd have been c 104

Canadian BMD are difficult to track down on line as they have a long closure. It varies from Province to Province but, as a rule of thumb, marriages wouldn't be available until 80 years after the event. Deaths have a similar long closure.
The last available census is 1921 before Thomasina & family departed.

Could this be John 1889 in 1891 census?

Name: John Eckford
Gender: Male
Age: 1
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1890
Father: Thomas Eckford
Mother: Eliza Eckford
Birth Place: Scotland
Civil Parish: Byker
Residence Place: Byker, Byker, Northumberland, England
Sub registration district: Byker
ED, Institution or Vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4213
Folio: 91
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Eckford 27 - Scotland, Brewing Maker
Eliza Eckford 27 - Scotland
John Eckford 1

Unfortunately this doesn't give a place of birth
British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
John Eckford
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1889
Enlistment Age: 26
Marriage Date: 8 Jan 1917
Marriage Place: The Parish Church Long Benton
Document Year: 1915
Residence Place: 140 Audley Rd, South Gosforth Newca??
Regimental Number: 99207
Regiment Name: Royal Field Artillery
Number of Images: 8
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Other Records: Search for 'John Eckford' in other WWI collections
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
John Eckford Self (Head)
Lilian Elizabeth Robson Hardy - Spouse

Matches with this marriage
John Eckford
Registration Date: Jan-Feb-Mar 1917
Registration district: Tynemouth
Inferred County: Northumberland
Spouse: Lilian E E Hardy
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 343

1939 Register
Name: John Eckford
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 26 Jun 1889
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 7
Residence Place: Gosforth, Northumberland, England
Occupation: Police Officer
Schedule Number: 97
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: GCJC
Registration district: Northumberland South 560 Gosforth 2
Inferred Spouse: Lilian Eckford
Household Members:
Name
John Eckford
Lilian Eckford - 30 Jul 1892
1 redacted record

2 possible Eckford/Hardy births
Births Mar 1920 (>99%)
Eckford Ethel E Hardy Castle W. 10b 859

Births Sep 1922 (>99%)
Eckford John C Hardy Castle W. 10b 649

If correct, Ethel E married Leonard G Claydon in 1944.
One Claydon/Eckford birth shown on Freebmd in 1944.

Ethel & Leonard both seem to have lived in Stornoway, Ethel until 2005 & Leonard to 2013

Ethel's death
CLAYDON
ETHEL ELIZABETH
85
HARDY
2005
221/ 82
Stornoway

Leonard's Death

CLAYDON
LEONARD GEORGE
94
SPURGEON
2014
221/ 96
Stornoway

Annie Jack Eckford died under her maiden name
ECKFORD
ANNIE JACK
76
1968
789/ 139
Hawick

Andrew's death
ECKFORD
ANDREW WELSH
55
1949
789/ 11
Hawick

*if* he married???.....
ECKFORD, ANDREW
INGLIS, BESSIE
1937
685/4 123
St Giles

You'd probably need the MC to see if it were the correct man. Alternatively, purchase his DC to see the informant was a close relative.

This member seems to be researching the same family - send her a message to ask how she's related
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/messages/5192184/discover?rk=183635732

There are a number of people who have an Ethel Eckford but with no year or place of birth.

Could you clarify who emigrated to Canada/Quebec in 1949/1950? Was it a different branch of the family?
Thomasina did visit her Scottish family fairly regularly. Had you picked up on one of those visits?

Rambling Rose has been trying to help Joanna on facebook & has asked that the following to be added to the thread
............

These names ( on Scotlandspeople) who seem to be children of Annie and John Cavers.

CAVERS
THOMAS ECKFORD
M
1916
789/ 244
Hawick CAVERS
ELIZABETH ECKFORD
F
1922
There is also a Norman Eckford Cavers bn 1933 who may still be living?

Norman Eckford Cavers
ELECTORAL YEAR: 1977
STATE: New South Wales
DISTRICT: Cunningham
COUNTRY: Australia EDIT there are Ancestry trees that have him on, one at least appears to be family name. (** Cavers is the tree owner)



Thomasina's sister's marriage ECKFORD
ANNIE WELSH
CAVERS
JOHN B
1912
789/ 84
Hawick
Edit

Thomasina's likely marriage to John Dow Brown 1919 is on Scotlandspeople website. [ already posted]

This is cemetery record in Canada for them John D
Last name Brown
Year -
Inscription
In loving memory of Tomasina Eckford - b. May 1st 1896 – Sept. 21st 1965
Beloved wife of John D. Brown b. June 10th 1897 – Aug. 9th 1970
Place Les Jardins Commémoratifs Lakeview Memorial Gardens (Pointe-Claire)
County Montréal
Province Quebec
Country Canada

If there is a Norman Eckford Cavers who comes from Hawick, in Scotland , please contact me as I am doing some research on the behalf of my mum Margaret Elizabeth Eckford Foster born on 28.07.1929 in Sunderland her perent's were William Foster from kerk Langley darbyshire , and Margaret Lillie or Lillco Eckford born in Newcastle upon tyne her mother was born in Hawick at eckford farm her mum passed away 1978 in Eversham worcestershire my mom was married to Frank joseph smith but he passed away on 25 12 1976 age 53 , now next year it will be my mum 90 birthday. now I don't supposed theirs will be any living relations related to my mum still alive today ??

More from Rambling Rose aka Rosie

[She has sent you] possible FB link for the Lucy Eckford who has the tree on here, and have just sent her this, Thomas travelling with wife and son Colin bruce


First name(s) Thomas Eckford
Last name Cavers
Gender Male
Birth year 1916
Birth day 17
Birth month 9
Marital status M
Occupation TEA PLANTER
Departure year 1959
Departure day 6
Departure month 10 r
Departure port London
Destination port Bombay
Destination BOMBAY
Country India
Destination country India
Ship name Chusan

She also sent you a current address for the son. Colin Bruce Cavers.
I've repeated this in a Personal Message. Look at the top of the screen. Where it says Messages, there will be a purple square with a 1 in it. Click on that and select 'in box'.