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Maddie

Maddie Report 1 Feb 2019 11:46

Name: William Thomas
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 20
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1890
Marriage Date: 6 Nov 1910
Marriage Place: Liverpool, St Stephen the Martyr, Lancashire, England
Search Photos: Search for 'Liverpool, St Stephen the Martyr' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: Frederick Thomas ===== a porter
Spouse: Mary Emily Carr

1901
Name: William Thomas
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: Frederick Thomas
Mother: Sarah Thomas
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: West Derby
Search Photos: Search for 'West Derby' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Edge Hill St Stephen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 66
Neighbors:
Piece: 3496
Folio: 62
Page Number: 18
Household schedule number: 77
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Thomas 35
Sarah Thomas 34
George F Thomas 17
Charles Thomas 15
William Thomas 11
Sarah Thomas 8
Elizabeth R Thomas 6

1891
Name: William Thomas
Gender: Male
Age: 9/12
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1890
Father: Frederick Thomas
Mother: Sarah Thomas
Birth Place: Liverpool, Liverpool
Civil Parish: West Derby
Residence Place: West Derby, Lancashire, England
Sub registration district: West Derby (Municipal)
ED, Institution or Vessel: 10
Neighbors:
Piece: 2989
Folio: 55
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Thomas 25
Sarah Thomas 25
George F Thomas 7
Charles J Thomas 6
William Thomas 9/12
George Penketh 26
Jessie Penketh 22
John Wilson 48
Elizabeth Wilson 46

FREDERICK
Last name THOMAS
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1882
Registration month -

MarriageFinder ™


FREDERICK THOMAS married one of these people

Sarah Gillespie, Eliza Stewart
District Liverpool
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Volume as transcribed 8B
Page number 159

Frederick
Last name Thomas
Birth year 1866
Birth parish Liverpool
Birth town Liverpool
Birth county Lancashire
Birth country England
Service number 1212
Regiment King's (Liverpool Regiment)
Year 1887
Attestation date 22 Feb 1887
Attestation age years 21
Attestation service number 1212
Attestation corps 3th Battalion The King'S Liverpool Regiment
Document type Attestation
Series Wo 96 - Militia Service Records 1806-1915
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference WO 96
Box 199
Box record number 20
Record set British Army Service Records

1911
Name: Frederick Thomas
Age in 1911: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: West Derby
Search Photos: Search for 'West Derby' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 31 Garden St
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Cotton Porter ===========
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: West Derby Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 56
Piece: 22608
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Thomas 45
Sarah Thomas 44
Charles Thomas 25
Sarah Thomas 18
Rebecca Thomas 16

1871
Minshull Street, West Derby, Lancashire, England
Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Thomas Head - Male 34 1837 - Lancashire, England
Sarah Thomas Wife - Female 34 1837 - Lancashire, England
Charles Thomas Son - Male 10 1861 - Lancashire, England
William Thomas Son - Male 8 1863 - Lancashire, England
Frederick Thomas Son - Male 6 1865 - Lancashire, England
Ellen Thomas Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Lancashire, England
Alfred Thomas Nephew - Male 20 1851 - Lancashire, England
George Owens Boarder - Male 21 1850 - Lancashire, England
Jacob Thomas Father - Male 73 1798 - Lancashire, England =============

JACOB
Last name THOMAS
Marriage year 1820
Marriage day 19
Marriage month Dec
Church St Peter, Church St
Place LIVERPOOL
Groom's first name(s) Jacob
Groom's last name Thomas
Groom's occupation Mariner
Groom's parish Liverpool
Bride's first name(s) Ann
Bride's last name Brade
Bride's marital status Spinster
Bride's parish Liverpool
Banns or licence Licence
County Lancashire

1851
Name: Jacob Thomas
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1808
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann Thomas
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 1l
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 117
Piece: 2181
Folio: 423
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Jacob Thomas 43
Ann Thomas 45
Sarah A Thomas 24
Elizabeth Thomas 22
Charles Thomas 16 --- APPRENTICE TO SAIL MAKER
Eliza Thomas 13
Alfred Thomas 2

1881
147, Back Gill Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Charles Thomas Head Married Male 45 1836 Sailmaker Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Sarah Thomas Wife Married Female 46 1835 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Charles Thomas Son Single Male 21 1860 Sailmaker Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Thomas Son Single Male 19 1862 Painter Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Frederick Thomas Son Single Male 17 1864 Cellarman Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Sarah Ellen Thomas Daughter Single Female 13 1868 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 1 Feb 2019 10:24

Another record for Lynda/Lynn/Lynne Joyce O'Neill/Hook. This one's dated

U.S. Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 1

Dr Lynne Joyce Oneill
[Lynn J Hook]
Birth Date: 13 Dec 1929
Phone Number: 245-2677
Address: 783 Steuben Dr, Sunnyvale, CA, 94087-2247 (1993)

Full address given as a different name is on the Property Evaluation.
http://www.city-data.com/santa-clara-county-ca/S/Steuben-Drive-1.html

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Feb 2019 10:00

Is the tree on Ancestry yours, Steph?

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 31 Jan 2019 18:27

I'd suggest you buy a copy of Joyce's BC to see if it matches to Lynda Joyce. If she was known as Lyn, it does give credence that she's the same person.

If that is the case, her last know surname, as at 1972, was Hook.

She lived as Hook in both California & South Carolina, but which way round, no one knows!

Reference for Birth as posted earlier

Births Dec 1929 (>99%)
O'Neill Joyce (mmn) Thomas Liverpool S. Vol 8b Page 190

Similar format for Liverpool marriage in case you wanted to know the name of her father as a checking point.

Marriages Sep 1953 (>99%)
O'NEILL Joyce (married) GIBBONS Liverpool N. Vol 10d Page 856

Order from https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
Each certificate would cost £9.25 inc P&P. The cost is going up to £11 on 16 Feb.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Jan 2019 16:12

Name: Richard Joseph O'Neill
Death Age: 57
Birth Date: abt 1890
Death Date: 1947
Burial Date: 15 Jan 1947
Burial Place: Ford Cemetery, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Deaths Sep 1962 (>99%)
O'NEILL Maud M 75 Liverpool N. 10d 320

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Jan 2019 16:07

1939

41 Moscow Drive , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

Richard J O'Neill 26 Nov 1915 Male Upholsterers Labourer Married 103 1
May O'Neill 06 May 1916 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 103 2
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

May's maiden name was Harland. Use freebmd to look for the births of the children

Name: Richard Joseph O'Neill
Residence Year: 1955
Street address: Stonewall Street 53
Residence Place: Lancashire, England


Name: Richard Joseph O'Neill
Death Age: 75
Birth Date: 26 Nov 1915
Registration Date: Jul 1991
Registration district: West Lancashire
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 40
Page: 1953

Name: Richard Joseph Oneill
Death Date: 10 Jul 1991
Death Place: Skelmersdale Lancs
Probate Date: 1 Aug 1991
Registry: Liverpool

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Jan 2019 16:05

O'NEILL, CHARLES JOHN ORD
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 147

O'NEILL, RICHARD JOSEPH ORD
GRO Reference: 1915 D Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 992

O'NEILL, SARAH ORD
GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 152

O'NEILL, MARY ELIZABETH ORD
GRO Reference: 1913 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 1069

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Jan 2019 16:02

O'NEILL, PHILIP ORD
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 546

Marriages Mar 1906 (>99%)

O'Neill Richard Joseph Toxteth Park 8b 327
Ord Maud Toxteth Park 8b 327

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Jan 2019 15:51

The record for Philip is merely his arrival in the US. You said he was a seaman, so it fits

Joyce's birth reg - only one forename

Births Dec 1929 (>99%)
O'Neill Joyce Thomas Liverpool S. 8b 190

steph kim

steph kim Report 31 Jan 2019 15:35

I am sure that my grandfather phillip did'nt immergrate to america, so this must be another man with same name.

the next two post match up with the info i have, yes i know about uncle stanley,

WIth auntie joyce its a bit of a grey area, i know she married her boss and divorved him and went to america where she started afresh and poss remarried and has 2 children, but this is something i am not sure of, i heard she goes by joy, joyce and lynn.

yes i have been searching the family trees and there is a cousin or second cousin of my dads or grandads and they have not been able to add any more,


I will find a address if i can for joyce or lynda and see if its the right lady.

and the details for my great grandparents this could be correct i have no idea, no one seems to know about that side of the family, i am very greatful for all the help and support so far, if anyone has any other information to ether confirm the above or has new information, i am desperate to try and make contact with my family,

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Jan 2019 23:49

Births Dec 1912 (>99%)
THOMAS Mary J Carr W.Derby 8b 1146


Parents ???

Marriages Dec 1910 (>99%)
Carr Mary E Liverpool 8b 3
THOMAS William Liverpool 8b 3


Mary Emily Carr
in the Liverpool, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Mary Emily Carr
Gender: Female
Event Type: Banns (Bann)
Marriage Banns Date: 6 Nov 1910
Marriage Banns Place: Liverpool, St Stephen the Martyr, Lancashire, England
Spouse: William Thomas


Mary Emily Carr
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Mary Emily Carr
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 14 Mar 1892
Baptism Date: 27 Mar 1892
Baptism Place: All Souls, Liverpool, Lancaster, England
Father: John Carr
Mother: May Jane Carr
FHL Film Number: 1656147



Mary E Carr
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Mary E Carr
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: John Carr
Mother: Mary J Carr
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Edge Hill St Stephen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 66
Neighbors:
Piece: 3496
Folio: 70
Page Number: 33
Household schedule number: 194
Household Members:
Name Age
John Carr 50
Mary J Carr 51
John A R Carr 25
Edith A Carr 22
Robert J Carr 20
William Carr 17
Thomas Carr 15
Albert Carr 13
Henry Carr 10
Mary E Carr 9


Mary Emily Thomas
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Mary Emily Thomas
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 12 Albert St Edge Hill Liverpool
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Housekeeper
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: West Derby Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 56
Piece: 22608
Household Members:
Name Age
William Thomas 20
Mary Emily Thomas 19
Gladys Eva Thomas 2/12



Mary Emily Thomas
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Mary Emily Thomas
Death Age: 79
Birth Date: 14 Mar 1892
Registration Date: Mar 1971
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10d
Page: 842

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 30 Jan 2019 23:12

Following through with Lynda Joyce Gibbons nee O'Neill. It can be deleted later if she's proved to be unrelated.

She seems to have remarried in 1972 (no image to check marital status)

Name: Lynda J Gibbons
Gender: Female
Residence State: California
Spouse: Albert L Hook
Spouse Residence State: California
Marriage Date: 3 Jun 1972
Marriage County: Douglas
Officiant Type: Religious celebrant
Recorded Date: 5 Jun 1972
Recorded County: Douglas

U.S. Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 2
Name: Lynda J Hook
Birth Date: 13 Dec 1929 <<< same dob as the naturalisation record
Address: xxx Fairington Dr, Summerville, SC

Name: Lynda J Hook
Birth Date: 13 Dec 1929
Address: xxx Steuben Dr, Sunnyvale, CA

Neither Index entry indicates a year of residence

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 30 Jan 2019 23:02

Keep looking at this - do you know Joyce's exact dob?

Application for naturalisation by John Edward Gibbons, born 7 Nov 1931 in Liverpool. He says his wife is Lynda Joyce nee O'Neill b 13 Dec 1929. They married on 25 Jul 1953 in Liverpool. They emigrated on 11 Oct 1957.
Address given as 970 Gull Ave, Gull City, San Mateo, CA.

Name: Lynda Joyce O'Neill
Birth Date: 13 Dec 1929
Petition Place: California, USA
Spouse: John Edward Gibbons

Lynda Joyce only used Joyce at the time of her marriage.

First name(s) JOHN E
Last name GIBBONS
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1953

MarriageFinder ™
JOHN E GIBBONS married one of these people
Joyce O'Neill

Spouse's last name O'Neill
District Liverpool North
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 10D
Page number 856
......
Can't find a birth for a Linda or Lynda O'Neill in Dec 1929 or Jan 1930. Perhaps someone else can spot it?

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 30 Jan 2019 22:44

Have you tried searching all trees, top right under search? If any of the missing ones are listed, send the tree owner a message has further details for them.

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 30 Jan 2019 22:43

Is this relevant for Joyce? You didn't say if she was married when she moved to California, or even when.

Name: Joyce O'Neill
Residence Year: 1976
Street address: 558 E 6th St
Residence Place: Stockton, San Joaquin, California, USA
Publication Title: Stockton, California, City Directory, 1976

No other O'Neill's at the same address. No occupation against her name.

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 30 Jan 2019 22:21

Would this be Phillip & Mary nee Thomas?

1939 Register
O'Neill Household (4 People)
34 Gloucester Road , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

Philip P O'Neill 14 Feb 1911 Male Able Seaman Married
Mary J O'Neill 16 Nov 1913 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Stanley O'Neill 14 Jul 1938 Male Under School Age Single

The closed record represents someone born less than 100 years ago and for whom a death entry has not (yet) been found in England or Wales.

Stanley's birth reg
Births Sep 1938 (>99%)
O'Neill Stanley mmn Thomas Liverpool S. 8b 303

As he isn't in your list, do you already know about him?

Birth entry for the third name on your list, b 1934, is Phyllis.
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

There are several other O'Neill/Thomas births recorded in Liverpool South reg

malyon

malyon Report 30 Jan 2019 21:52

philip Oniel
England and Wales Census, 1911

Name: Philip Oniel
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Event Place: Everton, Everton Liverpool, Lancashire, England
County: Lancashire
Parish: Everton
Sub-District: South Everton
Sub-District Number: 8
District Number: 455
Enumeration District: 24
Registration District: West Derby
Gender: Male
Age: 0
Number in Family: 6
Birth Year (Estimated): 1911
Birthplace: Lpool, Lancashire
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Schedule Type: 96
Page Number: 1
Registration Number: RG14
Piece/Folio: 199
Affiliate Record Identifier: GBC/1911/RG14/22537/0199/5
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Richard Oniel Head Male 28 Lpool, Lancashire
Maud Mary Oniel Wife Female 26 Lpool, Lancashire
Sarah Oniel Daughter Female 5 Lpool, Lancashire
Charles Oniel Son Male 2 Lpool, Lancashire
Philip Oniel Son Male 0 Lpool, Lancashire
Thomas Patton Lodger Male 29 Lpool, Lancashire

malyon

malyon Report 30 Jan 2019 21:49

Phillip O`Neill
New York, New York Passenger and Crew Lists, 1909, 1925-1957

Name: Phillip O`Neill
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 1944
Event Place: New York City, New York, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 33
Birth Year (Estimated): 1911
Birthplace: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Mauretania

steph kim

steph kim Report 30 Jan 2019 20:49

Looking for my dads side of the family

Joyce O'Neill - dec-1929 moved to california usa
Phillis O'Neill - dec 1934
Evelyn O'Neill - jun 1936
Bernard O'Neill - dec 1955

My grandparents details below they have both passed away
Philip and Mary married june 1929 liverpool

Philip 14/2/1911 seaman merchant service/ dock labour
Mary -jane (Thomas ) 1912

Also looking for more info on my grandmothers line, i have been told great grandparents william thomas and emily (Carr) thomas

I have hit a wall and i lost my dad when i was 14 so didnt find out much they were all born in liverpool i think wavertree area