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SIDNEY EDWARD VINSON
Service Number: 865602
Regiment & Unit/Ship
Royal Field Artillery
"C" Bty. 122nd Bde.
Date of Death: Died 06 November 1918

Buried or commemorated at
CROSS ROADS CEMETERY, FONTAINE-AU-BOIS

III. C. 16.

France
Country of Service
United Kingdom

Husband of A. Vinson, of 10, Taylor Square, Tavistock, Devon.
Personal Inscription
THY WILL BE DONE

Name: Sidney Edward Vinson
Gender: Male
Rank: Gnr.
Record Type: Card
Death Date: 6 Nov 1918********************************************
Service Number: 865602
Corps, Regiment or Unit: C/122 Bde. R. F. A.
Title: Pension Record Cards
Description: Other Ranks Died Vidolich C-Virgint FT
Next of Kin:
Name Relation to Soldier
Sidney Edward Vinson
Annie Vavistock Widow D o B 22 Jun 1884
Dorothy Annie Vinson Child
Adelaide Mary Vinson Children
Alice Maud Vinson Children


So who fathered Phyllis?

Births Jun 1919 (>99%)
Vinson Alice M Creeper Tavistock 5b 468

Marriages Dec 1912 (>99%)
Creeper Annie Vinson Tavistock 5b 857
Vinson Sydney Creeper Tavistock 5b 857

Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
Vinson Dorothy A Cr[eo][eo]p[eo]r Tavistock 5b 577
Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
Vinson Adelaide M Creeper Tavistock 5b 654
Births Dec 1924 (>99%)
Vinson Phyllis M Creeper Tavistock 5b 478

It is not possible to register births without a surname.................

Just to emphasise Eustace M in case Catherine hasn't realised the possible significance of the middle initial -

Michael may have been his middle name, by which he preferred to be known rather than Eustace. (Or possible adoptive parents maybe kept the middle name only.)

I would, if I was him!

Alice died in 1988

Every birth has to be listed with a surname. You father was registered under Love, with mother's maiden name Vinson.

I'm suggesting Eustace was the birth name for either the Michael or David you mention.

Rose

Thank you for your help. She kept the name love Until she was remarried to Beale as you’ve found out. My dad wasn’t registered with a surname but was given his first and middle name. She kept who we think was her first done Toney Vinson. So I believe Michael and David wouldn’t therefore be registered with a last name? I’ve never heard of a Eustace? I’m not sure he’ll ever find out his father unless his DNA when through shines a light. I hope he does find his siblings who may all have different fathers.

Alice married again in 1962 as Love:

Marriages Sep 1962
BEALE William J LOVE Plymouth 7a 1517
LOVE Alice M BEALE Plymouth 7a 1517

Any children born after your dad should also be under Love.

Rose

There's a Eustace M in 1940. Perhaps this is one of the brothers.

Rose

Not seeing any likely births for a Michael or David with MMN Vinson, unless those were their adopted names.

Hard to believe Norman was able to get an annulment and remarried 6 months later.

Rose

"What does one legitimate child mean between them?"

I'm not sure what you mean.
There's a Love/Vinson birth in 1947 which I assume is your father's.

But if they were already separated (and you do say, "the marriage dissolved before my dad was conceived"), then his father, as you suspect, may be someone other than Norman.

The birth would still be registered as Love because that was still Alice's name.

Freebmd is a website with BMD info for England/Wales.

Just google

Look for a Love/Vinson birth

Freebmd? What does that mean please?

Thank you. I’d never heard of RC before? Roman Catholic!
What does one legitimate child mean between them?
I think I’d heard it was because he was already married? But equally she didn’t want to move to his farm in America when he was called back from the US army so she remained in Tavistock.
My dads filled in part one and part two of the adoption register firms-thanks again!
He looked at his birth certificate today - hadn’t properly looked before and found the address of 44 Hurlingham Rd Fulham East the address of the Fulham nursing home so that’s a good lead?

The record of the marriage in the US is actually the Tavistock ceremony - it's simply an affirmation that the marriage has taken place.

Erika has posted the marriage of Alice Maud to Norman Love in Indiana in Dec 1945

But they also married in Tavistock in 4th quarter 1945.

Name: Norman Alexander Love
Gender: Male
Race: White
Age: 84
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 4 Sep 1923
Birth Place: Coffewille, Kansas
Death Date: 31 Jan 2008
Death Place: Columbus, Bartholomew, Indiana, USA
Father: James A Love
Mother: Lula G Love
Spouse: Edna Love, nee Cooper

Name: Alice Maud Vinson
Gender: Female
Event Type: Marriage Registration (Marriage)
Marriage Date: 11 Dec 1945
Marriage Place: Indiana, United States
Father: Sydney Edward Vinson
Spouse: Norman Alexander Love
Page: 124
FHL Film Number: 001954678

One legitimate child - on freebmd

So how did they manage to get an annulment?

Name: Alice Maud Vinson
Birth Date: 20 May 1919
Relation to Soldier: Children
Title: Pension Record Cards
Description: Other Ranks Died Vidolich C-Virgint FT
Next of Kin:
Name Relation to Soldier
Sidney Edward Vinson
Annie Vavistock Widow Birth Date: 22 Jun 1884
Dorothy Annie Vinson Child Birth Date: 2 Feb 1913
Adelaide Mary Vinson Children Birth Date: 12 Sep 1914
Alice Maud Vinson Children Birth Date: 20 May 1919