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Betty Payne or Relatives, Indiana USA

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P

P Report 4 Apr 2021 22:14

Hello,

I'm not sure if anyone would be able to help with the person being from the USA.

But we have a family member (passed away now), who would have been connected with Jeanette Sullivan, then married to a Gerald Payne and they had a daughter called Betty Payne.

Betty was born in 26th Oct 1930, I think her middle name was Jean. They did also have a son called Napoleon M Payne but he is already passed away. I can't find anything for Betty so i'm presuming she could still be alive?

I'm really hoping to get some help, if Betty is still alive or if theres any relatives/spouse/children that Betty has or had?! Or even anything on Napoleon (he's passed away though so i probably need to ask about him on the other community column)

I appreciate any help. Alot of relatives have passed away now and i'm hoping to find a living relative, I have so many questions! :-)

Mistycat

Mistycat Report 4 Apr 2021 23:39

Hi P


I can’t spot a death entry or obituary notice for Betty Jean Payne or with a married name of Nelson

Betty’s birth

Name: Betty Jean Payne
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 26 Oct 1930
Birth Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA
Registration Year: 1930
Father: Gerald Payne
Mother: Jeanette Sullivan
Certificate Number: 48211
Roll Number: 020
Agency: Indiana State Dept. of Health
Volume Range: 96 - 100

?? Marriage...on the original record of marriage it states Betty divorced and Hobart widowed

Name: Betty J Payne
Gender: Female
Age: 40
Birth Date: abt 1932
Birth Place: Indianapolis, Indiana
Marriage Date: 19 Feb 1972
Marriage Place: N. Ill St, Marion, Indiana, USA
Spouse: Hobart E Nelson





Application for social security claim

Name: Napoleon Morton Payne
[Napoleon M Payne]
Gender: Male
Race: Black
Birth Date: 19 Jul 1924
Birth Place: Indianapls M, Indiana
[Indianapolis, Indiana]
Death Date: 12 Aug 2004
Father:
Gerald T Payne
Mother:
Jeanette Sullivan
SSN: 317187923
Signature on SSN Card: Napoleon Morton Payne
Relationship of Signature: Signature name differs from NH’s name.
Notes: Aug 1941: Name listed as NAPOLEON MORTON PAYNE; 01 Sep 2004: Name listed as NAPOLEON M PAYNE

Obituary Index.....sorry I can’t actually see the obituary as I don’t have a subscription!!
Name: Jeanette Payne Payne
Gender: Female
Death Age: 84
Birth Date: abt 1906
Residence Place: Indianapolis
Death Date: Abt 1990
Obituary Date: 4 Jun 1990
Obituary Place: Indianapolis, Indiana, United States of America
Spouse:
Robert George Dunn
Child:
Napoleon M. Payne
Betty J. Payne

Mistycat

Mistycat Report 5 Apr 2021 00:13

WW2 draft card

Name: Napoleon Morton Payne
Gender: Male
Race: Black
Age: 18
Relationship to Draftee: Self (Head)
Birth Date: 19 Jul 1924
Birth Place: Indianapolis, Indiana
Residence Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA
Registration Date: 15 Dec 1942
Registration Place: Indiana, USA
Employer: Unemployed
Weight: 135
Complexion: Light Brown
Eye Colour: Brown
Hair Colour: Brown
Height: 5 9
Next of Kin: Jeannette Payne
Household Members:
Name Relationship
Napoleon Morton Payne Self (Head)

Death

Name: Napoleon Payne
Gender: Male
Race: Black
Age: 80
Marital status: Never Married (Single)
Birth Date: 19 Jul 1924
Birth Place: Indianapolis Indiana
Death Date: 12 Aug 2004
Death Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA
Father: Gearld T Payes
Mother: Jeanetta Payes


Birth

Name: Napoleon Payne
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 19 Jul 1924
Birth Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA
Registration Year: 1924
Father: Gerald Payne
Mother: Jeanette Sulivan
Certificate Number: 38542
Roll Number: 016
Agency: Indiana State Board of Health
Volume Range: 76 - 80







Click ADD REPLY button - not this link!

Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 5 Apr 2021 02:37

Could this be her? Birth is off by 2 years.

https://www.bluittandson.com/obituary/betty-payne

Rose

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 5 Apr 2021 10:16

Re the 1990 death of Jeanette Payne, born 1906, posted by Mistycat:

Died 1.50pm on 31 May 1990 at Methodist Hospital, Indianapolis.
Cause of death: Large cerebral infarction, caused by atherosclerotic vascular disease.

Widow, waitress at a general hospital.

Born 5 Sept 1906 in Saloma, Kentucky.
Parents: Joseph Sullivan and Mattie Graham.

Informant: son - Rev Napoleon M Payne

Burial: Floral Park Cemetery,Indianapolis

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 5 Apr 2021 10:22

Jeanette Payne
in the Web: Marion County, Indiana, U.S., Marriage Index, 1925-2012
Name: Jeanette Payne
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 20 Jun 1947
Marriage Place: Marion, Indiana, USA
Spouse:
Robert Dunn



Janetta Sullivan
in the 1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Janetta Sullivan [Jenetta Sullivan]
Age in 1910: 3
Birth Year: abt 1907
Birthplace: Kentucky
Home in 1910: Louisville Ward 10, Jefferson, Kentucky
Street: Chestnut Street
Race: Black
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: Joseph Sullivan
Father's Birthplace: Kentucky
Mother's Name: Mattie Sullivan
Mother's Birthplace: Kentucky
Native Tongue: English
Number of Children Born: 0
Number of Children Living: 0
Neighbors:
Household Members Age Relationship
Joseph Sullivan 25 Head
Mattie Sullivan 23 Wife
Janetta Sullivan 3 Daughter
Melor Sullivan 26 Son
George Hazelwood 26 Boarder

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 5 Apr 2021 10:29



Suliden Gerutta
in the 1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Suliden Gerutta [Lutidan Gerntta] [Sulivan Gerretts] []
Age: 11
Birth Year: abt 1909
Birthplace: Kentucky
Home in 1920: Saloma, Taylor, Kentucky
Residence Date: 1920
Race: Black
Gender: Male [Female]
Relation to Head of House: Granddaughter
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Kentucky
Mother's Birthplace: Kentucky
Able to Speak English: Yes
Attended School: yes
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors:
Household Members Age Relationship
William Graham 60 Head
Saliza Graham 53 Wife
Suliden Gerutta 11 Granddaughter [ Genetta Sullivan on image ]
William L Gerutta 9 Grandson [ William L on image - no surname ]
Mc Graham Gerutta 21 Boarder [ M (Mc ? Mr ? ) Graham on image]

Mistycat

Mistycat Report 5 Apr 2021 12:29

How very interesting ArgyllGran, lots of information on the death for Janette, also ties Napoleon M up nicely, I guess he devoted his life to his religion......

I have Ancestry world wide but apparently required another sub to view details!!

Maddie

Maddie Report 5 Apr 2021 15:15

Name: Betty Jean Payne
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 26 Oct 1930
Birth Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA
Registration Year: 1930
Father: Gerald Payne
Mother: Jeanette Sullivan
Certificate Number: 48211
Roll Number: 020
Agency: Indiana State Dept. of Health
Volume Range: 96 - 100

Indiana, U.S., Death Certificates, 1899-2011
Name: Jeanette Payne
[Jeanette Sullivan]
Gender: Female
Race: Black
Age: 83
Marital status: Widowed
Birth Date: 5 Sep 1906
Birth Place: Saloma, Kentucky
Death Date: 31 May 1990
Death Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA
Father: Joseph Sullivan
Mother: Mattie Sullivan

1910
Name: Mattie Sullivan
Age in 1910: 23
Birth Year: abt 1887
Birthplace: Kentucky
Home in 1910: Louisville Ward 10, Jefferson, Kentucky
Street: Chestnut Street
Race: Black
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Joseph Sullivan
Father's Birthplace: Kentucky
Mother's Birthplace: Kentucky
Native Tongue: English
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Years Married: 5
Number of Children Born: 2
Number of Children Living: 2
Neighbors:
Household Members Age Relationship
Joseph Sullivan
25 Head
Mattie Sullivan 23 Wife
Janetta Sullivan
3 Daughter
Melor Sullivan ------william melor
26 Son
George Hazelwood
26 Boarder


Name: William M Sullivan ---- jeanetta's brother
Gender: Male
Race: C
Age: 39
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 15 Aug 1909
Birth Place: Jeffersonville, Ind
Death Date: 9 Jan 1949
Death Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA
Father: Joe Sullivan
Mother: Mattie Sullivan
Spouse: Anna Sullivan

Name: William Maloy Sullivan
Gender: Male
Race: Negro (Black)
Age: 31
Relationship to Draftee: Self (Head)
Birth Date: 15 Aug 1909
Birth Place: Watson, Indiana
Residence Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA
Registration Date: 16 Oct 1940
Registration Place: Indiana, USA
Employer: National Malber Casting Co
Weight: 130
Complexion: Light
Eye Colour: Brown
Hair Colour: Brown
Height: 5 5
Next of Kin: Mattie Alexander
Household Members:
Name Relationship
William Maloy Sullivan Self (Head)
Mattie Alexander Mother

1940
Name: Maloy Sullivan
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
Gender: Male
Race: Negro (Black)
Birthplace: Indiana
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana
Map of Home in 1940:
Street: Edgemont
House Number: 978
Farm: No
Inferred Residence in 1935: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana
Residence in 1935: Indianapolis
Sheet Number: 6A
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 173
Occupation: Molder
House Owned or Rented: Rented
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 12
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: High School, 1st year
Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 40
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in private work
Weeks Worked in 1939: 52
Income: 1001
Income Other Sources: No
Neighbors:
Household Members Age Relationship
Maloy Sullivan 30 Head
Cornelius Sullivan
29 Wife
William Sullivan
10 Son
Norma Jean Sullivan
8 Daughter
Lillian Harvey
30 Lodger

Name: William Maloy Sullivan Jr
Gender: Male
Race: Negro (Black)
Age: 48
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 22 May 1929
Birth Place: Indiana
Death Date: 13 Apr 1978
Death Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA
Father: William Maloy Sullivan
Mother: Cornelia Sullivan
Spouse: Priscilla Dean Sullivan

Name: Priscilla Dean Johnson Sullivan
Gender: Female
Death Age: 61
Birth Date: abt 1931
Residence Place: Indianapolis
Death Date: Abt 1992
Obituary Date: 9 Oct 1992
Obituary Place: Indianapolis, Indiana, United States of America
Spouse:
William Sullivan
Child:
Keith Sarden
Glenn Sarden
Ralph Johnson
Gerald Allen
Noreen Willis
Helene Strong

Name: Glenn A Sarden [Glenn Sarden]
Residence Date: 1986
Address: 114 S Denny St
Residence: Indianapolis, IN
Postal Code: 46201-4410
Second Residence Date: 1995
Second Address: 907 N Penn
Second Residence:
Second Postal Code: 46280

Name: Noreen Willis
Birth Date: 10 Jan 1954
Residence Date: 1992
Address: 4420 Roxie Dr
Residence: Indianapolis, IN
Postal Code: 46235-1047
Second Residence Date: 1990
Second Address: 4444 Roxie Dr
Second Residence:
Second Postal Code: 46235-5025

Name: Helene L. Strong
Death Age: 53
Birth Date: abt 1957
Residence Place: Indianapolis
Death Date: 13 Jan 2010
Obituary Date: 17 Jan 2010

Maddie

Maddie Report 5 Apr 2021 15:47

Name: William M. Sullivan Jr.
Gender: Male
Death Age: 48
Birth Date: abt 1930
Residence Place: 1515 West 23rd Street
Death Date: Abt 1978
Obituary Date: 15 Apr 1978
Obituary Place: Indianapolis, Indiana, United States of America
Mother:
Cornelia Sullivan
Spouse:
Priscilla Sullivan
Child:
Glenn A. Sullivan
Kathleen Eastman
Candy Anderson

Name: Norma Jean Sullivan [Norma Sullivan Hoggatt] [Norma Hoggatt]
Gender: Female
Race: Black
Birth Date: 21 Aug 1930
Birth Place: Indianapolis, Indiana [Indpls Mario??, Indiana]
Death Date: Oct 1978
Father:
William M Sullivan
Mother:
Cornelia Perry
SSN: 309265104
Notes: Jun 1943: Name listed as NORMA JEAN SULLIVAN; Jun 1956: Name listed as NORMA SULLIVAN HOGGATT; Sep 1963: Name listed as NORMA JEAN HOGGATT; 18 Dec 1987: Name listed as NORMA HOGGATT

Name: Norma Jean Sullivan
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 21 Aug 1930
Birth Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA
Registration Year: 1930
Father: William Sullivan
Mother: Cornelia Perry
Certificate Number: 38382
Roll Number: 016
Agency: Indiana State Dept. of Health

Name: Norma Jean Sullivan Hoggatt
Gender: Female
Death Age: 48
Birth Date: abt 1930
Residence Place: 1515 West 23 d Street
Death Date: Abt 1978
Obituary Date: 24 Oct 1978
Obituary Place: Indianapolis, Indiana, United States of America
Mother:
Cornelia McCombs
Spouse:
Orville Hoggatt

Name: Corneila Perry
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 19 Dec 1928
Marriage Place: Marion, Indiana, USA
Spouse:
William Sullivan

1940

Name: Norma Jean Sullivan
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1931
Gender: Female
Race: Negro (Black)
Birthplace: Indiana
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Home in 1940: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana
Map of Home in 1940:
Street: Indiana Avenue
House Number: 923
Inferred Residence in 1935: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana
Residence in 1935: Indianapolis
Sheet Number: 1A
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 3rd grade
Neighbors:
Household Members Age Relationship
Cornelia Sullivan
29 Head
William Sullivan
10 Son
Norma Jean Sullivan 9 Daughter
Mary Perry ----------------------
52 Mother
Eddie Turner
24 Lodger
James Stoner
23 Lodger
James Broaden
46 Lodger

Name: Mary Perry
Gender: Female
Death Age: 65
Birth Date: abt 1887
Residence Place: La fayette, Ala.
Death Date: Abt 1952
Death Place: 979 West 26th Street
Obituary Date: 15 Mar 1952
Obituary Place: Indianapolis, Indiana, United States of America
Child:
Cornelia Sullivan
Siblings:
Carrie Overton
Mamie Taylor
Irene Mathews
Tholma McDonald

P

P Report 5 Apr 2021 18:47

Rose - thank you for the Obituary, I have no idea if this could be the Betty I am looking for, but I have contacted the people who arranged the funeral to see if it could be a match, just incase.

Mistycat & ArgyllGran - Thank you, I have never found a marriage for Betty! Does it give you any indication if they had children? I'm presuming the Janette is the "Jeanette Payne", which is Bettys mother. Jeanette had some very interesting stories. The whole link to this search is because Jeanette was married to Robert Dunn (our blood relation), and she shot him dead. We don't know anyone alive who could give us information so our next best thing is hopefully Jeanettes children, if any are still living.

Who is Suliden Gerutta? I'm sorry, I don't understand some of the matches and how the Sullivans are in relation to the others. I think I need to get my full tree up so it makes sense to me! :( :)

I can't believe Napoleon didn't marry or have children!! I do wonder what life he had.. I wanted to try and find photographs for them all but I guess the family tree for Napoleon doesn't go much further.

Thank you so much to everyone for the help sofar.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 5 Apr 2021 21:11

Suliden Gerutta is juat a very bad mistrancription of Genetta Sullivan - which is itself a mis-spelling of Janetta or Janette.

On the original document William Graham's name, and that of his wife, is wriitten with the first name second, and the surname first - Graham, William..

The childlren's names, however, are written with the surname second, but the transcriber has assumed they've been written the same way as the parents, and has therefore ended up with Sullivan Genetta.

To be fair, the handwriting isn't easy to decipher, and I had the advantage of knowing what the names should be.

Genetta/Janette and William L are, as it says, the grandchildren of William Graham and his wife.

William Graham and wife are the parents of Mattie Graham who is Janette/Jeanette's mother.